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Folks,
I wrote a short piece about the 'K2 versus all them big new rigs' several weeks ago, but I guess it isn't going to make it where anyone can read it on the front page or subsequent pages on eHam. Perhaps sites that depend on advertising revenue don't like ruffled vendor feathers? :-) In any event, you can view and comment on it here: http://www.eham.net/articles/8800 -- 73 de Jeff--KE9V _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Sat, 24 Jul 2004, Jeff Davis wrote:
> vendor feathers? :-) > > In any event, you can view and comment on it here: > > http://www.eham.net/articles/8800 I found one comment interesting There is no doubt in my mind that Elecraft rigs are perfectly able to compete with the "Big Boys" out there. I would have written something along the lines that it's interesting to see that the "Big Boys" are now catching up with Elecraft. Thom http://www.baltimorehon.com/ Home of the Baltimore Lexicon http://www.tlchost.net/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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> In any event, you can view and comment on it here:
> > http://www.eham.net/articles/8800 I don't see any article there at all - has it been removed? -- 73, Brian VE7NGR _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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That's certainly going to hurt eHam's chances of getting more articles from
people. I didn't read the article but if you start applying censurship, you lose writers very quickly. And supporters, I would imagine. Now if his "advertisers" forced him to remove the article, that is just as bad. Just my .02. Michael N4NMR > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Brian Mury > Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 12:55 PM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] eHam Article > > > In any event, you can view and comment on it here: > > > > http://www.eham.net/articles/8800 > > I don't see any article there at all - has it been removed? > > -- > 73, Brian > VE7NGR > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Sat, 2004-07-24 at 09:55, Brian Mury wrote:
> > In any event, you can view and comment on it here: > > > > http://www.eham.net/articles/8800 > > I don't see any article there at all - has it been removed? Oops - never mind. I just saw the message about it being removed. How about posting it here for those of us who didn't see it? -- 73, Brian VE7NGR _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Jeff Davis-26
I guess I'm having trouble following this thread. Would someone mind giving
an old guy a summary of what's happening. It seems that a post to eHam was critical of eHam so the post was pulled...is that the basics of what's happening. Tnx Tom WB2QDG k2 1103 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------- Daddy, why do they call it the "World Series" if its always played in the Bronx? -----Original Message----- From: Clinton Herbert <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> Date: Saturday, July 24, 2004 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] eHam Article >The Articles Manager at eHam has pulled the article >and related comments off their site. He felt that my >posting here was discourteous to him. Actually, it was this comment, "Perhaps sites that depend on advertising revenue don't like ruffled vendor feathers?" -- that is what really did it. Especially when: http://www.eham.net/about/showadvertisers Look seven down, that says it all... Next time get your facts straight first, Jeff. Then if you have a question or concern e-mail me privately and I will be more than happy to let you know approximately if/when your article will be posted on eHam's homepage. Like I said, I can only run so many at a time, and we receive TONS of submissions. And I would have glady ran yours in just a few more days if you had just been patient. Bottom line: You show me some common courtesy and a little respect and I will happily return it. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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No - a post here (the Elecraft mail list) was critical of eHam, so the
author of the critical post had his article pulled from eHam. Sounds to me like eHam is rather thin-skinned and vindictive. On Sat, 2004-07-24 at 11:12, Tom Mc wrote: > I guess I'm having trouble following this thread. Would someone mind giving > an old guy a summary of what's happening. It seems that a post to eHam was > critical of eHam so the post was pulled...is that the basics of what's > happening. > > Tnx > Tom > WB2QDG > k2 1103 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------------- > Daddy, why do they call it the "World Series" if its always played in the > Bronx? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Clinton Herbert <[hidden email]> > To: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> > Date: Saturday, July 24, 2004 11:41 AM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] eHam Article > > > > > >The Articles Manager at eHam has pulled the article > >and related comments off their site. He felt that my > >posting here was discourteous to him. > > Actually, it was this comment, "Perhaps sites that > depend on advertising revenue don't like ruffled > vendor feathers?" -- that is what really did it. > Especially when: > > http://www.eham.net/about/showadvertisers > > Look seven down, that says it all... > > Next time get your facts straight first, Jeff. Then > if you have a question or concern e-mail me privately > and I will be more than happy to let you know > approximately if/when your article will be posted on > eHam's homepage. Like I said, I can only run so many > at a time, and we receive TONS of submissions. And I > would have glady ran yours in just a few more days if > you had just been patient. > > Bottom line: You show me some common courtesy and a > little respect and I will happily return it. > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com 73, Brian VE7NGR _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 14:12:15 -0400, Tom Mc wrote:
> I guess I'm having trouble following this thread. Would someone > mind giving an old guy a summary of what's happening. It seems > that a post to eHam was critical of eHam so the post was > pulled...is that the basics of what's happening. Folks, There is nothing spooky or scary going on here. I submitted an article on July 12 for publication on eHam. If you know anything about that process it takes time and you also get an auto-generated response telling you that your article "may" or "may not" be selected for front page publication. Given that it has been three weeks, and that other, more recent articles have been published I just *assumed* that mine was not selected for publication. They receive a lot of submissions and that wouldn't have been unusual. So this morning, I sent the link to this list so that even though the story didn't make the front page, other Elecrafter's could read it. In my posting, I included the URL and this one comment: "Perhaps sites that depend on advertising revenue don't like ruffled vendor feathers? :-)" I thought that the little smiley guy :-) conveyed that I was joking and I wasn't actually implying that eHam was doing anything devious in choosing not to publish the article. However, the Articles Manager had a much different take on the matter and proceeded to send me several emails that asked for my "respect" and my "courtesy" or that article would be pulled. I told him deleting the article would be fine with me and he has done that. There were several other messages between us where he sent me the dictionary definition of the word "libel" and such, and ended it all by saying that I was banned from posting articles on eHam until I learn to be more courteous, and that he was deleting any follow-up messages from me, etc. Obviously I'm not thrilled by all this, and his public posting to this list was an obvious attempt to "set me straight" in front of a public audience. I wouldn't have replied at all but I started receiving emails from this list asking why the link on eHam couldn't be reached and what all this was about. I would REALLY appreciate if this could end now. I have always hated OT posts and long, meandering threads that have no value, and this one certainly has none at this point. I apologize to the list for the messages it has already spawned, and hope that you will take my plea to heart and NOT FOLLOW THIS UP. Thanks and see you all on the bands! Vy 73 de Jeff, KE9V _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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It is apparently the rant of someone who expected his
timeless prose to show up on eHam as soon as he had expected. This became a diatribe against eHam and those nasty old "advertisers" (read "Evil Large Corporations", file a complaint with Ralph Nader!). A posting from an eHame official pointed out that he had many submissions and couldn't post all of them at the same time and that this particular submission would have been posted in a couple of days..but certainly not now! There really should be no place on this reflector for such unfounded rants! IMHO. Doug W6JD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Mc" <[hidden email]> To: "Clinton Herbert" <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]> Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] eHam Article > I guess I'm having trouble following this thread. Would someone mind giving > an old guy a summary of what's happening. It seems that a post to eHam was > critical of eHam so the post was pulled...is that the basics of what's > happening. > > Tnx > Tom > WB2QDG > k2 1103 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---------------------- > Daddy, why do they call it the "World Series" if its always played in the > Bronx? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Clinton Herbert <[hidden email]> > To: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> > Date: Saturday, July 24, 2004 11:41 AM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] eHam Article > > > > > >The Articles Manager at eHam has pulled the article > >and related comments off their site. He felt that my > >posting here was discourteous to him. > > Actually, it was this comment, "Perhaps sites that > depend on advertising revenue don't like ruffled > vendor feathers?" -- that is what really did it. > Especially when: > > http://www.eham.net/about/showadvertisers > > Look seven down, that says it all... > > Next time get your facts straight first, Jeff. Then > if you have a question or concern e-mail me privately > and I will be more than happy to let you know > approximately if/when your article will be posted on > eHam's homepage. Like I said, I can only run so many > at a time, and we receive TONS of submissions. And I > would have glady ran yours in just a few more days if > you had just been patient. > > Bottom line: You show me some common courtesy and a > little respect and I will happily return it. > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Jeff Davis-26
It is apparently the rant of someone who expected his timeless prose to show up on eHam as soon as he had expected. This became a diatribe against eHam and those nasty old "advertisers" (read "Evil Large Corporations", file a complaint with Ralph Nader!). A posting from an eHame official pointed out that he had many submissions and couldn't post all of them at the same time and that this particular submission would have been posted in a couple of days..but certainly not now! There really should be no place on this reflector for such unfounded rants! IMHO. Doug W6JD ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nor for sermons from the self-righteous. -Bill _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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