"folded dipole antenna"
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Joe,
Sounds like you have a winner for an antenna. However the antenna you describe is NOT a folded dipole. It would be a folded dipole if you did not cut out the section of open wire line opposite your feedline connection. Without the section cut out your antenna would be resonant on 40 meters and would be a great performer on 40 meters, but I have no idea how it would work on other bands. Your antenna is a LINEAR LOADED DIPOLE which will be resonant around 5 or 6 MHZ. It should load well on 40 and 80 for sure since it will be resonant around 5 to 6 MHZ. The losses on linear loaded antennas can be very small, so on 80 meters I suspect it will perform nearly as well as a full size dipole, perhaps within a db or so. If you could reach the center of the dipole and jumper the cut out section, possibly, but not for sure, you might have slightly better performance on 40 meters operating in the folded dipole mode. You could set up a field strength meter with a horizontal antenna several hundred feet away and do comparison readings.......the Z would be very different so you would need to re tune. Some "limited space" folks take your good idea one step further and make a 3 wire (or more) linear loaded antenna element. Your dipole might only be around 50 feet in length if made with 3 wires. However, there is no such thing as a free lunch. Shorter antennas have less gain. My personal "rule of thumb" is that a well designed antenna can be shortened up to APPROXIMATELY 50% with only minor loss of gain, but further shortening usually results in rapidly decreasing performance. Shorter antennas do suffer from greatly decreased bandwidth, however if you you use a tuner that should not be a significant factor. I know many ELECRAFTERS will take exception to my 50% "rule of thumb", however non technical folks might find it a useful tool. At least be VERY suspicious of very short antennas that claim great results. Likewise antennas that are AT LEAST half size MIGHT come close in performance to a full size antenna. The 25 ft wire most of use on our KX1's with fantastic results is a short antenna on 40 meters, but still is very acceptable compromize since it is about 75% the size of a full lenght quarter wave antenna and also is an easy match for the tuner. I believe my 50% rule is OK for most simple antennas. A yagi would need to be much larger than 50% size for acceptable performance. I find it is very interesting to model antennas with an antenna modeling program. Many hams use either the EZNEC or Nittany Scientific NEC-Win Plus+ programs. Either of these NEC 2 core programs do a very acceptable job of modeling most, but not all, of the antennas hams typically use. ARRL offers an Antenna Modeling on line course, or you can buy the ARRL course textbook and work through it yourself. You do not need to be an engineer or scientist to use these courses, however you should have a good grasp of algebra and perhaps trig and AT LEAST 100 hours of time to complete the course. Rick KL7CW Palmer, Alaska KX1 # 798 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I'd like to tailgate Rick's comment.
I use a 60 ft dipole made of 450 ohm window line with the conductors shorted together at each side of the feed point and at the outer ends. The idea is to create a fat dipole, compared to a single wire. I feed it with 450 ohm window line and a matching network in the shack for the bands I use it with. On 20m, it acts as nearly two half waves in phase, very good on 20m. It tunes well on 40m as you would expect. On 80m, the 2:1 swr bandwidth is only 100 kHz, but adequate for my contesting activities. I modelled the antenna with EZNEC, and just the plain dipole with tuned feeders has more gain (less loss ?) than the same dipole with loading coils to give a resonant feed on one band. Plus, with the tuned feeders, it is a three band antenna. Good luck and 73 Bob N6WG The Little Station with Attitude -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of Frederick Dwight Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 11:55 AM To: [hidden email] Cc: Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] "folded dipole antenna" Joe, Sounds like you have a winner for an antenna. However the antenna you describe is NOT a folded dipole. It would be a folded dipole if you did not cut out the section of open wire line opposite your feedline connection. Without the section cut out your antenna would be resonant on 40 meters and would be a great performer on 40 meters, but I have no idea how it would work on other bands. Your antenna is a LINEAR LOADED DIPOLE which will be resonant around 5 or 6 MHZ. It should load well on 40 and 80 for sure since it will be resonant around 5 to 6 MHZ. The losses on linear loaded antennas can be very small, so on 80 meters I suspect it will perform nearly as well as a full size dipole, perhaps within a db or so. If you could reach the center of the dipole and jumper the cut out section, possibly, but not for sure, you might have slightly better performance on 40 meters operating in the folded dipole mode. You could set up a field strength meter with a horizontal antenna several hundred feet away and do comparison readings.......the Z would be very different so you would need to re tune. Some "limited space" folks take your good idea one step further and make a 3 wire (or more) linear loaded antenna element. Your dipole might only be around 50 feet in length if made with 3 wires. However, there is no such thing as a free lunch. Shorter antennas have less gain. My personal "rule of thumb" is that a well designed antenna can be shortened up to APPROXIMATELY 50% with only minor loss of gain, but further shortening usually results in rapidly decreasing performance. Shorter antennas do suffer from greatly decreased bandwidth, however if you you use a tuner that should not be a significant factor. I know many ELECRAFTERS will take exception to my 50% "rule of thumb", however non technical folks might find it a useful tool. At least be VERY suspicious of very short antennas that claim great results. Likewise antennas that are AT LEAST half size MIGHT come close in performance to a full size antenna. The 25 ft wire most of use on our KX1's with fantastic results is a short antenna on 40 meters, but still is very acceptable compromize since it is about 75% the size of a full lenght quarter wave antenna and also is an easy match for the tuner. I believe my 50% rule is OK for most simple antennas. A yagi would need to be much larger than 50% size for acceptable performance. I find it is very interesting to model antennas with an antenna modeling program. Many hams use either the EZNEC or Nittany Scientific NEC-Win Plus+ programs. Either of these NEC 2 core programs do a very acceptable job of modeling most, but not all, of the antennas hams typically use. ARRL offers an Antenna Modeling on line course, or you can buy the ARRL course textbook and work through it yourself. You do not need to be an engineer or scientist to use these courses, however you should have a good grasp of algebra and perhaps trig and AT LEAST 100 hours of time to complete the course. Rick KL7CW Palmer, Alaska KX1 # 798 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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