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I found a good buy on a Genovation CP48 -USBHID keypad but don't know
how to get it to work with LP-Bridge and my K3. I don't see a way to assign it to a virtual port on LP Bridge. Any suggestions? 73, Roger ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On Thu, 2016-09-08 at 16:08 -0400, Roger D Johnson wrote:
> I found a good buy on a Genovation CP48 -USBHID keypad but don't know > how to get it to work with LP-Bridge and my K3. I don't see a way to > assign > it to a virtual port on LP Bridge. Any suggestions? > > 73, Roger Hi Roger, Here is a link: http://nk7z.net/adding-an-external-keypad-to-the-k3/ to an article on connecting that keypad to the K3, without any other external hardware... -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On Thu, 2016-09-08 at 18:27 -0700, Dave Cole wrote:
> On Thu, 2016-09-08 at 16:08 -0400, Roger D Johnson wrote: > > > > I found a good buy on a Genovation CP48 -USBHID keypad but don't > > know > > how to get it to work with LP-Bridge and my K3. I don't see a way to > > assign > > it to a virtual port on LP Bridge. Any suggestions? > > > > 73, Roger > > Hi Roger, > Here is a link: > > http://nk7z.net/adding-an-external-keypad-to-the-k3/ > > to an article on connecting that keypad to the K3, without any other > external hardware... > Make that using the P3, not directly to the K3. -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I have a Genovation 48 key keypad up and running - has been in use for
several months. With the exception of on/off, I do not have much need to reach for the K3. Uses the P3 macro memories and is not directly connected to the K3. Prior to that time I was using a PigKnob - a very practical device with 8 programmable buttons and a 2-speed tuning (VFO) knob. Uses the serial port on the K3 and can be chained with other serial devices. The latest control placed into service is a K-pod - a K-line matching device with 16 programmable buttons and a tuning (VFO) knob. Plugs into the P3 only with the addition of the P3 upgrade board. You can chain macros together until the cows come home. Just remember, the K3 will do what it is told to do - just like a computer - and it does not correct for bad coding or illogical routine order. In other words, errors will be the fault of the coder (user). I have found nothing I cannot do with macros that I actually need. Most are ridiculously simple and a few are a joke of complexity and sidestepping. Comment about all the hardware involved: For basic rig/VFO control, you cannot beat the PigKnob for usability and price (a little over $100). Anything beyond it is just frosting on the cake. Adding the Genovation keypad to the PigKnob was a serious upgrade - all controls (that I use), memories, and even direct frequency entry are supported from the keypad. Then along came the K-pod! Had the K-pod been available back when I first needed to control the K3 from a very close point, I could have stopped there. With 16 (effective number of macro buttons available - tap/hold) and the VFO matching the K3 it is hard to beat and I may eventually only have the K-pod on the edge of my desk. Sometimes I get interested in other rigs out there - then I remind myself that none will support the type of control I use. Specifically, keypads, PigKnobs, and K-pods. Thank you Elecraft for this so user customizable system. No others can compare. But, I am sure I am preaching to the choir on that point. Bill W2BLC K-line ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On Fri, 2016-09-09 at 08:04 -0400, Bill wrote:
> I have a Genovation 48 key keypad up and running - has been in use for > several months. With the exception of on/off, I do not have much need > to reach for the K3. Uses the P3 macro memories and is not directly > connected to the K3. Bill, It is funny you should say that... That was one of my motivators for developing the Genovation keypad connectivity, I did not want to be pressing the buttons on the K3 all the time, and wanted something that was fast, and would execute any number of macros at a single keypress. My hat is off to Elecraft for the support they gave me during the development process-- they made software changes to the P3, adding a macro for offsetting the the P3, which is part of the split + 5, and offset the P3 to show the pileup, and were very helpful overall. I know of no other company that would have allowed me to talk directly to the programmers. That level of support is unprecedented in this industry. -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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And therein is the rub. All of these schemes, including the K-Pod, I believe,
require recording macros *in the radio* and recalling them with button pushes, taps/etc. I would like (and would purchase) a keypad that takes a simple push of a button to execute a command (recorded in the keypad) to perform a function. I detest tap and/or hold and want the function performed regardless of how long I hold the button. For example: button 1 sends the command string to go split and TX up 1 to the radio just like I would using the K3 Utility. Button 2, clears that command, and so on and so forth. On 9/8/2016 6:30 PM, Dave Cole wrote > Make that using the P3, not directly to the K3. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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The PigKnob stores the commands in the device and sends them to the K3
via the serial port. It plugs into the K3 and the P3 plugs into it. It is a nice device - I have one sitting on the shelf, as I now have the Genovation and a K-Pod. Not interested in selling it - I may yet use it again. They are quite inexpensive - does VFO (two speeds) and eight other commands (that is the number of buttons on it. Truth be told, I may put it back in line and take the other stuff out. Decisions for the winter. Bill W2BLC K-Line ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On Wed, 2016-09-28 at 16:13 -0700, Wes Stewart wrote:
> And therein is the rub. All of these schemes, including the K-Pod, I > believe, require recording macros *in the radio* and recalling them > with button pushes, taps/etc. The Genovation keypad does not trigger anything in the K3, it triggers a macro from the P3, which you preload. > I would like (and would purchase) a keypad that takes a simple push of > a button to execute a command (recorded in the keypad) to perform a > function. Using the Genovation, you get essentially this. You stack as many macros as you want, load them into the P3, then trigger that macro cluster from the Genovation with a single keytap. The P3 then fires the macro cluster to the K3. > I detest tap and/or hold and want the function performed regardless of > how long I hold the button. For example: button 1 sends the command > string to go split and TX up 1 to the radio just like I would using > the K3 Utility. Button 2, clears that command, and so on and so > forth. This is exactly how the Genovation works... There are no press and hold functions possible with the Genovation. It uses the macro sets Elecraft provides, some of which perform the same function a press and hold, only you trigger it with a single keypress on the Genovation. If there is a macro for it, then you can trigger it with a single press of the Genovation, be it instant, or a 10 minutes press, the result is the same... An example is the "Split + 5" macro, it does the following with a single instantaneous keytap: 1. Puts the radio in split. 2. Shifts the P3 display to show the DX on the left edge. 3. Positions the transmit VFO 5 up from the DX. 4. Sets the P3 span to 6 KHz wide. 5. Sets the appropriate mode for the P3. The result you as a user will see for your single keytap is that the DX is moved to the left side of the P3, showing the high 5 KHz on the right of the P3 screen, allowing you to control where you transmit using the VFO B knob. All with a single tap of a single key. All I do as the user, is press the SPLIT +5 button on the Genovation, and all of the above happens. I just find a hole in the pile up and send my call using a second button... Once the DX returns my call, I press a third button and the report is sent. DX worked... I log it, and move on... For me, it matters not where the commands are stored, what matters is what happens when I touch a key. See: http://nk7z.net/adding-an-external-keypad-to-the-k3/ Start at the section labeled, "How the P3/SVGA works", to get a more detailed overview of what is happening when you tap a key on the Genovation. -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Where did I say anything about a P3?
On 9/28/2016 9:20 PM, Dave Cole wrote: > On Wed, 2016-09-28 at 16:13 -0700, Wes Stewart wrote: >> And therein is the rub. All of these schemes, including the K-Pod, I >> believe, require recording macros *in the radio* and recalling them >> with button pushes, taps/etc. > The Genovation keypad does not trigger anything in the K3, it triggers a > macro from the P3, which you preload. > >> I would like (and would purchase) a keypad that takes a simple push of >> a button to execute a command (recorded in the keypad) to perform a >> function. > Using the Genovation, you get essentially this. You stack as many > macros as you want, load them into the P3, then trigger that macro > cluster from the Genovation with a single keytap. The P3 then fires the > macro cluster to the K3. > >> I detest tap and/or hold and want the function performed regardless of >> how long I hold the button. For example: button 1 sends the command >> string to go split and TX up 1 to the radio just like I would using >> the K3 Utility. Button 2, clears that command, and so on and so >> forth. > This is exactly how the Genovation works... There are no press and hold > functions possible with the Genovation. It uses the macro sets Elecraft > provides, some of which perform the same function a press and hold, only > you trigger it with a single keypress on the Genovation. > > If there is a macro for it, then you can trigger it with a single press > of the Genovation, be it instant, or a 10 minutes press, the result is > the same... An example is the "Split + 5" macro, it does the following > with a single instantaneous keytap: > > 1. Puts the radio in split. > 2. Shifts the P3 display to show the DX on the left edge. > 3. Positions the transmit VFO 5 up from the DX. > 4. Sets the P3 span to 6 KHz wide. > 5. Sets the appropriate mode for the P3. > > The result you as a user will see for your single keytap is that the DX > is moved to the left side of the P3, showing the high 5 KHz on the right > of the P3 screen, allowing you to control where you transmit using the > VFO B knob. All with a single tap of a single key. > > All I do as the user, is press the SPLIT +5 button on the Genovation, > and all of the above happens. I just find a hole in the pile up and > send my call using a second button... Once the DX returns my call, I > press a third button and the report is sent. DX worked... I log it, > and move on... > > For me, it matters not where the commands are stored, what matters is > what happens when I touch a key. > > See: > http://nk7z.net/adding-an-external-keypad-to-the-k3/ > > Start at the section labeled, "How the P3/SVGA works", to get a more > detailed overview of what is happening when you tap a key on the > Genovation. > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On Thu, 2016-09-29 at 06:50 -0700, Wes Stewart wrote:
> Where did I say anything about a P3? You didn't-- in fact, you specifically limited your comments to, "*not in the radio*", hence why I am pointing out that the Genovation meets your stated criteria-- "*not in the radio*". I bring up where the macros live, the P3, to show you that the Genovation meets your stated criteria of not having macros live in the radio. See below for the quote I am responding too. > > On Wed, 2016-09-28 at 16:13 -0700, Wes Stewart wrote: > > > > > > And therein is the rub. All of these schemes, including the K- > > > Pod, I believe, require recording macros *in the radio* and > > > recalling them with button pushes, taps/etc. -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Oh, dear me. Maybe I should have said, "in the radio equipment as opposed to in
the keypad." The Genovation "solution" isn't a solution. The commands don't live in the keyboard which was my expressed desire. But of course you knew that. On 9/29/2016 10:15 AM, Dave Cole wrote: > On Thu, 2016-09-29 at 06:50 -0700, Wes Stewart wrote: >> Where did I say anything about a P3? > You didn't-- in fact, you specifically limited your comments to, "*not > in the radio*", hence why I am pointing out that the Genovation meets > your stated criteria-- "*not in the radio*". I bring up where the > macros live, the P3, to show you that the Genovation meets your stated > criteria of not having macros live in the radio. > > See below for the quote I am responding too. > >>> On Wed, 2016-09-28 at 16:13 -0700, Wes Stewart wrote: >>>> And therein is the rub. All of these schemes, including the K- >>>> Pod, I believe, require recording macros *in the radio* and >>>> recalling them with button pushes, taps/etc. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On Thu, 2016-09-29 at 11:46 -0700, Wes Stewart wrote:
> Oh, dear me. Maybe I should have said, "in the radio equipment as > opposed to in the keypad." Probably would have been a good idea on your part to actually say what you are trying to communicate. > > The Genovation "solution" isn't a solution. The commands don't live > in the keyboard which was my expressed desire. Sigh... Your expressed desire was that they not be in the Radio, you were unclear... > But of course you knew that. No, I did not... I actually thought you were asking for some assistance here, I see I was wrong. My error for trying to help... -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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From a thread on _your_ blog N7PXY wrote:
"I use a K3 but do not use a P3. Is there a way to have the keypad send the macros to the K3 directly?" You replied in part: "Probably by using the serial port on the K3, but you would have to save the Macros themselves in the Genovation..." I commented to this thus: "Any progress on this?" You replied: "Hi Wes, I am now actively looking into this..." So six months ago I was expressing to you an interest in having macros live in the keypad and play into a K3 sans P3. On 9/29/2016 12:21 PM, Dave Cole wrote: > On Thu, 2016-09-29 at 11:46 -0700, Wes Stewart wrote: >> Oh, dear me. Maybe I should have said, "in the radio equipment as >> opposed to in the keypad." > Probably would have been a good idea on your part to actually say what > you are trying to communicate. >> The Genovation "solution" isn't a solution. The commands don't live >> in the keyboard which was my expressed desire. > Sigh... Your expressed desire was that they not be in the Radio, you > were unclear... > >> But of course you knew that. > No, I did not... I actually thought you were asking for some assistance > here, I see I was wrong. My error for trying to help... > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On Thu, 2016-09-29 at 13:06 -0700, Wes Stewart wrote:
> From a thread on _your_ blog N7PXY wrote: > > "I use a K3 but do not use a P3. Is there a way to have the keypad > send the macros to the K3 directly?" > > You replied in part: > > "Probably by using the serial port on the K3, but you would have > to save the Macros themselves in the Genovation..." > > I commented to this thus: > > "Any progress on this?" > > You replied: > > "Hi Wes, > > I am now actively looking into this..." > > So six months ago I was expressing to you an interest in having macros > live in the keypad and play into a K3 sans P3. That's great... Changes nothing here, in this discussion, but glad you asked... The Genovation is still a solution for me, even though it uses the P3... I looked at your QRZ page, and I see you are using an different Panadaptor, which is why you dislike the Genovation solution, which I now understand. Related-- I would bet money there is no way to make the Genovation actually feed a macro into the K3 directly, save a total rewrite of the code for the Genovation, which I am not going to do... I am however now working on a using a Raspberry Pi to more directly control the K3. I suspect a more direct method of controlling the K3, allowing macros to be shot into it, without the P3 will be forthcoming as a result of this. That is however a winter project. I will probably use the Genovation as the input device for the Raspberry Pi, then just fire commands directly to the K3 from the Pi. I need to get my head wrapped around the protocol for talking directly to the K3 first... That is my delay in this... -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Dave,
Not that I know what I'm doing but glad I could help. Hi I do know that with a few exceptions both rigs use the same commands from the utility programs. I am not a Rpi guy; I dabble in the Arduino but I'm sure the code could be ported over rather easily. Pleas keep me and all of us apprised of your progress. I am very interested. 73, P. J. Hicks, N7PXY ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On Fri, 2016-09-30 at 18:12 +0000, P.J.Hicks wrote:
> Dave, > > Not that I know what I'm doing but glad I could help. Hi > > I do know that with a few exceptions both rigs use the same commands > from the utility programs. I am not a Rpi guy; I dabble in the Arduino > but I'm sure the code could be ported over rather easily. Pleas keep > me and all of us apprised of your progress. I am very interested. > > 73, > P. J. Hicks, N7PXY I just need to write small stack to decoded the scan codes, then feed that to a lookup table, then fire off the macros to see if this is correct... Should be a bit, as I am headed out on vacation shortly... I will have the Genovation feeding directly into the K3, it just may take some time for me to get my head around the scan code thing... -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Jeff, VA2SS, wrote an article covering this:
http://www.eham.net/articles/32176 Unfortunately, I can't retrieve the picture that went with the article. Jeff used a "serial port splitter" but I think a program like LP-Bridge that generated virtual ports will work also. I ordered a USB keypad that didn't work so have a RS232 one on order. I'll let you know how it works. 73, Roger ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On Fri, 2016-09-30 at 18:12 +0000, P.J.Hicks wrote:
> Dave, > > Not that I know what I'm doing but glad I could help. Hi > > I do know that with a few exceptions both rigs use the same commands > from the utility programs. I am not a Rpi guy; I dabble in the Arduino > but I'm sure the code could be ported over rather easily. Pleas keep > me and all of us apprised of your progress. I am very interested. > > 73, > P. J. Hicks, N7PXY > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] I may switch to the Arduino... I found some code for doing scan codes ready to fly on the Arduino... Basically, all I need to do then is to write a lookup table, and populate the macros into that... :) This seems all too simple... There will be a gotcha in here someplace... -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On 9/30/2016 2:24 PM, Dave Cole wrote: > I just need to write small stack to decoded the scan codes, then feed > that to a lookup table, then fire off the macros to see if this is > correct... Should be a bit, as I am headed out on vacation shortly... It depend on which Genovation unit you are using. There are three versions. One is a true serial device - it emits ASCII (RS-232). One is a USB Virtual serial device - it also emits ASCII (USB). The third is an USB HID (Human Interface Device) - it is a virtual keyboard and emits scan codes. 73, ... Joe, W4TV ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I have the CP48 USBHID keypad which is the correct one for P3 users. It already has the software to show as non-multimedia keyboard as described on the NK7Z website. $100 shipped 73, Roger ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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