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Mark Tellez

getting started with QRP

Hello all and happy 2015!

I am not new to amateur radio but I am new to the world of QRP.
I recently received a KX3 and would like to try it out. I live in Colorado
and I have access to both a Buddipole and an Alexloop antenna.

I have a few questions as a QRP newbie:

1) what are the most popular QRP bands for monitoring and what are the main
calling frequencies (day and night)?

2) is there a book or website that will give a QRP newbie some background
info on the do and don'ts of QRP?

3) I am looking for an antenna that can be left attached to the KX3 that
will provide decent HF reception so that I can monitor frequencies during
the times when my other antennas are put away. Any suggestions?

4) I am considering buying a PAR end fed antenna. Any comments on the PAR
vs my other options (Alexloop, Buddipole)?

Thanks,

Mark
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k6dgw

Re: getting started with QRP

On 1/4/2015 10:34 AM, Mark Tellez wrote:

> I am not new to amateur radio but I am new to the world of QRP.
> I recently received a KX3 and would like to try it out. I live in Colorado
> and I have access to both a Buddipole and an Alexloop antenna.

I sold my Buddipole and got an AlexLoop, and I'm not sorry at all. The
loop sets up in 5 min, less if I concentrate on it. I have mine on a
light irrigation sprinkler tripod, I can sit under it and reach up to
tune it. One warning: The Alex is a resonant transformer, and *must*
be tuned to resonance. If you get it "close" and let the ATU match it,
you'll discover you have a somewhat pricey dummy load.
>
> I have a few questions as a QRP newbie:
>
> 1) what are the most popular QRP bands for monitoring and what are the main
> calling frequencies (day and night)?

14050 and vicinity is popular. You can find a whole lot of folks around
the SOTA watering holes between 14060 - 14065. Same for 15, 21060 -
21065. 10115 is also popular. You can see spots for summit activations
at sotawatch.org
>
> 2) is there a book or website that will give a QRP newbie some background
> info on the do and don'ts of QRP?

Probably, but I don't know of any. *Don't* call CQ DE W1XXX/QRP. :-)
It seems to be a hot button for some folks.

> 4) I am considering buying a PAR end fed antenna. Any comments on the PAR
> vs my other options (Alexloop, Buddipole)?

EFHW's are popular with the Summits On The Air crowd.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org

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Jack Spitznagel

Re: getting started with QRP

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Hi Mark,

I am a casual QRP-er (and casual HAM in general) so maybe my opinionated answers will with help the coming wash of advice. You want to start here - so read in between and below:

Jack - KD4IZ
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> On Jan 4, 2015, at 13:34, Mark Tellez <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hello all and happy 2015!
>
> have access to both a Buddipole and an Alexloop antenna.
Two good choices for portable field ops, but not for ideal at home unless you are in a condo/apartment/restriction/no space situation. I love the AlexLoop BTW! BUT: Put up a "real" antenna if you are able. More below:

>
> I have a few questions as a QRP newbie:
>
> 1) what are the most popular QRP bands for monitoring and what are the main
> calling frequencies (day and night)?
What Mode? CW, Voice, Digital?

> 2) is there a book or website that will give a QRP newbie some background
> info on the do and don'ts of QRP?
I will let someone else this.

>
> 3) I am looking for an antenna that can be left attached to the KX3 that
> will provide decent HF reception so that I can monitor frequencies during
> the times when my other antennas are put away. Any suggestions?

You want lack of directionality if you are trying to see if the bands is open - they are not gain antennas but they don't bias what you hear... If you have the space for a ground or roof mounted vertical, I have had a number over the the years. Trapless are better than trapped. I have had my best results with the GAP Titan. Next, the Butternut HFV which required radials.
If you have supports and space - try a simple inverted "vee" dipole... it is a cheaper alternative by far.
>
> 4) I am considering buying a PAR end fed antenna. Any comments on the PAR
> vs my other options (Alexloop, Buddipole)?
Left for others to answer. Never tried it.

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Phil Anderson

Re: getting started with QRP

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Hi Mark,

One resource you might like is this QRP website: www.4sqrp.com

It is a QRP club that has many activities and a yearly convention. Also
includes a monthly newsletter and various kits (which support the annual
event). Super bunch of hams.

72, Phil Anderson, W0XI

> Mark Tellez <mailto:[hidden email]>
> Sunday, January 04, 2015 12:34 PM
> Hello all and happy 2015!
>
> I am not new to amateur radio but I am new to the world of QRP.
> I recently received a KX3 and would like to try it out. I live in Colorado
> and I have access to both a Buddipole and an Alexloop antenna.
>
> I have a few questions as a QRP newbie:
>
> 1) what are the most popular QRP bands for monitoring and what are the
> main
> calling frequencies (day and night)?
>
> 2) is there a book or website that will give a QRP newbie some background
> info on the do and don'ts of QRP?
>
> 3) I am looking for an antenna that can be left attached to the KX3 that
> will provide decent HF reception so that I can monitor frequencies during
> the times when my other antennas are put away. Any suggestions?
>
> 4) I am considering buying a PAR end fed antenna. Any comments on the PAR
> vs my other options (Alexloop, Buddipole)?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
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Matt Zilmer-3

Re: getting started with QRP

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On Sun, 4 Jan 2015 11:34:41 -0700, you wrote:

>Hello all and happy 2015!
>
>I am not new to amateur radio but I am new to the world of QRP.
>I recently received a KX3 and would like to try it out. I live in Colorado
>and I have access to both a Buddipole and an Alexloop antenna.

I'd recommend a wire antenna. See below.

>
>I have a few questions as a QRP newbie:
>
>1) what are the most popular QRP bands for monitoring and what are the main
>calling frequencies (day and night)?

30m and 20m seem to be fairly active. I operate CW when QRP, and
14060 / 10106 are good watering holes freqs. I use a wire antenna
when portable, and it always works well.

The antenna has a 23 foot radiating element and a 16 foot
counterpoise, so it's off-center fed. I've used it on 40, 30, 20 and
17m with pretty good success (it can be a little hard to tune on 40m).

Using a convenient rock attached to the radiator end, just throw it
over a tree with some amount of rope leader then pull the counterpoise
out and tie it to whatever's available - usually a tree limb or ground
object. This antenna is fed with ladder line and terminates into a
BL2 balun set to 1:1.
>
73,
matt
W6NIA
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Barry K3NDM

Re: getting started with QRP

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Mark,
There are two ways to look at QRP, portable/SOTA operation and fixed/base station operation. The one thing they both have in common is that they need to radiate a signal to talk to others.

This may seem obvious, but there is a conflict between the two. The portable guys need to face a practical issue of weight and ease of installation. The fixed guys have few restrictions on a practical level. Let's face it the Alex Loop may be a fine antenna, but it well never compete with a full sized antenna installed to maximize its performance. To show this, a friend of mine, NA1DX owns a KX3 that he operates QRP from his base. His antenna farm is not modest. He works all over at 5 Watts. Most of the time he just responds to CQs with out employing any other procedure than what is normally used in good operating practice.

The QRPer who plans to operate out of a tent should put a lot of thought into his antenna. It is here that he can make the most difference. Additionally, using CW or PSK31 makes those 5 Watts most effective. Lastly, it really pays to listen and not chase stations that are just above the noise that may be running 100 Watts or more; go for the stronger signals.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

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Subject: [Elecraft] getting started with QRP

Hello all and happy 2015!

I am not new to amateur radio but I am new to the world of QRP.
I recently received a KX3 and would like to try it out. I live in Colorado
and I have access to both a Buddipole and an Alexloop antenna.

I have a few questions as a QRP newbie:

1) what are the most popular QRP bands for monitoring and what are the main
calling frequencies (day and night)?

2) is there a book or website that will give a QRP newbie some background
info on the do and don'ts of QRP?

3) I am looking for an antenna that can be left attached to the KX3 that
will provide decent HF reception so that I can monitor frequencies during
the times when my other antennas are put away. Any suggestions?

4) I am considering buying a PAR end fed antenna. Any comments on the PAR
vs my other options (Alexloop, Buddipole)?

Thanks,

Mark
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Ken G Kopp

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Fred's certainly correct with his advice about not signing "/QRP". Many
see it as some form of "I'm special, take pitty on me" or "whining".

73
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Rick WA6NHC

Re: getting started with QRP

Signing /qrp is not a great idea. Just make your call and see where it takes you.

There are plenty of receivers in the Reverse Beacon Net that will cluster spot for you when you simply call CQ (in nearly any digital mode, including CW).

Having said that, some DX clusters mismanage the /qrp if your CQ gets beacon posted. That can raise the frustration level of folks watching the cluster because it may give a false country allocation. Um, some folks handle that frustration better than others... ;)

Only a few DX stations actively working contacts will take the time for QRP.

Life is too short for QRP. ;o) but opinions may vary.

Rick, WA6NHC

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> On Jan 4, 2015, at 11:51 AM, Ken G Kopp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Fred's certainly correct with his advice about not signing "/QRP". Many
> see it as some form of "I'm special, take pitty on me" or "whining".
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Jim Allen

Re: getting started with QRP

I've never seen the need to sign /QRP or give it away in any fashion. If
the other guy hears you adequately, he will respond; otherwise, what
difference does it make?

It is the flip side of the Old Timer's oft repeated advice: "When you hear
'em, call 'em!"

73 de W6OGC Jim Allen

On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Rick Bates, WA6NHC <
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> Signing /qrp is not a great idea. Just make your call and see where it
> takes you.
>
> There are plenty of receivers in the Reverse Beacon Net that will cluster
> spot for you when you simply call CQ (in nearly any digital mode, including
> CW).
>
> Having said that, some DX clusters mismanage the /qrp if your CQ gets
> beacon posted. That can raise the frustration level of folks watching the
> cluster because it may give a false country allocation. Um, some folks
> handle that frustration better than others... ;)
>
> Only a few DX stations actively working contacts will take the time for
> QRP.
>
> Life is too short for QRP. ;o) but opinions may vary.
>
> Rick, WA6NHC
>
> iPad = small keypad = typos = sorry ;-)
>
> > On Jan 4, 2015, at 11:51 AM, Ken G Kopp <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Fred's certainly correct with his advice about not signing "/QRP". Many
> > see it as some form of "I'm special, take pitty on me" or "whining".
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Jock Irvine

Re: getting started with QRP

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If you're interested in CW operation, check out the North American QRP CW
Club at http://naqcc.info. Membership is free and they have monthly
sprints and challenges. The sprints aren't lightning fast because you can
double your score if you use a straight key, so it's a fun way to get on
the air and make contacts with other QRPers. Also check out John Shannon's
website at http://k3wwp.com. John has a wealth of information about
antennas, operating techniques, frequencies, propagation, etc.

I'm just reading a copy of this book that someone loaned me:
http://www.arrl.org/shop/ARRL-s-Low-Power-Communication-4th-Edition/
If you prefer a book, It's a good read with lots of information.

72,

Jock, N1JI

On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Mark Tellez <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello all and happy 2015!
>
> I am not new to amateur radio but I am new to the world of QRP.
> I recently received a KX3 and would like to try it out. I live in Colorado
> and I have access to both a Buddipole and an Alexloop antenna.
>
> I have a few questions as a QRP newbie:
>
> 1) what are the most popular QRP bands for monitoring and what are the main
> calling frequencies (day and night)?
>
> 2) is there a book or website that will give a QRP newbie some background
> info on the do and don'ts of QRP?
>
> 3) I am looking for an antenna that can be left attached to the KX3 that
> will provide decent HF reception so that I can monitor frequencies during
> the times when my other antennas are put away. Any suggestions?
>
> 4) I am considering buying a PAR end fed antenna. Any comments on the PAR
> vs my other options (Alexloop, Buddipole)?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
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Rick Dettinger-3

Re: getting started with QRP

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No need to do so, but I have used /QRP to try to snag another QRP operator around on of the the QRP "watering holes".
Two way QRP QSO's have been some of my nicest ham radio experiences.
We generally spend quite a bit of time discussing our equipment, that we probably built, and in some cases, designed.

73,
Rick Dettinger K7MW

On Jan 4, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Jim Allen wrote:

> I've never seen the need to sign /QRP or give it away in any fashion. If
> the other guy hears you adequately, he will respond; otherwise, what
> difference does it make?
>
> It is the flip side of the Old Timer's oft repeated advice: "When you hear
> 'em, call 'em!"
>
> 73 de W6OGC Jim Allen

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On Sun, 4 Jan 2015, Ken G Kopp wrote:
> Fred's certainly correct with his advice about not signing "/QRP".
> Many see it as some form of "I'm special, take pitty on me" or
> "whining".

The best reason for not using /QRP even if it is legal (and it cetrainly
isn't legal everywhere) is that it makes your call four characters
shorter! The longer your call, the more trouble it is to get across,
especially when your signal's on the low side. I took my KX3 away from
base over Xmas, and was required (by licence conditions) to operate as
5Z4/M0LEP/P then. Save "/" for adding essential information. If you feel
you *must* mention that you're QRP, do so without encumbering your
callsign; it makes accurate logging much easier for your contacts.

73, Rick 5Z4/M0LEP (for a few more days)

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Millerhill

Re: getting started with QRP

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Hi Mark,

Happy New Year to you too!!

I've been a ham for 3 yrs now and about 99% CW/QRP.

Forget about "watering holes" and concentrate more on the most active bands at any given time. 10M has been fantastic lately and when it's open, you will find it's a great place to get QRP DX. Same with 17M. At night, it's 20m and 30m early then on to 40m and 80m. Check out some of the sprints that the QRP clubs sponsor. ARCI, NAQCC, SKCC. It's a good way to get on the air and hear a lot of other QRP'rs.

Here's a great link farm for QRP
http://www.amqrp.org/misc/links.html

Someone else mentioned the EARCHI antenna. I had one and I liked it so much, I started making a version of that antenna that many hundreds of ops have been very happy with. You can read all about it here: http://kx3helper.com/endfed-40-6m-antenna/

Many of the do's and don'ts already mentioned are good advice. A lot of the fun is telling the op on the other end just after he gives you a 599 and tells you that he's using the Wizbang 5000 1200w amp, that you're using your KX3 at 5W. Ha! That's sum good radio fun.

Have a good time and I'll look for you on the air.

Best 72/73
Steve

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On Jan 4, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Mark Tellez wrote:

Guy Olinger K2AV

Re: getting started with QRP

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Sending /QRP does not seem to be a problem for casual operation. But DO NOT
use /QRP in contests or DX pileups.

From long experience in contests trying to copy weak stations from a big
multi, sending /QRP in contests or DX pileups can be THE reason why you do
NOT make a contact. When a station is struggling to get your call out of
the noise (quite common given your power level), ANY characters other than
the bare call sign are a confusion.

I long ago lost count of the number of times that trying to work a station
sending /QRP, all I copied for sure was the /QRP. With QSB on signals and
maybe only a second or two of peak signal on the up part of QSB barely
clearing the noise, the /QRP wastes the possible peak signal time for half
the call sign.

Remember that when you are QRP in a contest, you are depending on the OTHER
station to complete the contact. The completed QSO is hardly credit to you
at all, it's a credit to his receiving skills and RX setup. He already
knows you are weak, so you don't have to tell him you are weak with /QRP.
He doesn't care WHY you are weak, he just wants to work you. Do everything
you can to assist him.

In the later stages of a contest, when you are more likely to have clear
shots at running stations, high scoring stations have already worked all
the low hanging fruit, the loud and medium stations, and will gladly work
any QRP entrant, it's a contest after all. If he can manage to get your
call out of the noise and the competition cannot, that improves his chances
of beating his competition.

However if he continues to try and copy you without results for any
extended period, then your sending period will sound like a vacant
frequency to others and the station trying to get your call risks losing
his run frequency.

DO NOT use /QRP in contests or DX pileups.

I am not against QRP. I enjoy my battery K2/10, and have done 160 contests
QRP, LP and QRO. In QRP, crisp, sharp operating is magnified in a contest,
to everyone's benefit.

73, Guy K2AV

On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 7:02 PM, Rick Dettinger <[hidden email]> wrote:

> No need to do so, but I have used /QRP to try to snag another QRP operator
> around on of the the QRP "watering holes".
> Two way QRP QSO's have been some of my nicest ham radio experiences.
> We generally spend quite a bit of time discussing our equipment, that we
> probably built, and in some cases, designed.
>
> 73,
> Rick Dettinger K7MW
>
>
> On Jan 4, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Jim Allen wrote:
>
> > I've never seen the need to sign /QRP or give it away in any fashion. If
> > the other guy hears you adequately, he will respond; otherwise, what
> > difference does it make?
> >
> > It is the flip side of the Old Timer's oft repeated advice: "When you
> hear
> > 'em, call 'em!"
> >
> > 73 de W6OGC Jim Allen
>
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David Cutter

Re: getting started with QRP

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A friend just did the following with 2W and an end fed half wave from SOTA
peak G/NP-031 Birks Fell, UK, 2013 feet, 610m asl.

SOTA brings QRPers together from all over the world.

David
G3UNA

in less than 15 minutes...

EA5HJY Manolo in Alicante, Spain

DL1DVE Thomas in Grossroehrdorf, Germany

EA5NR Isidro in Alicante, Spain

CU3EJ Leonel in IOTA EU-175 Terceira Island, Azores

EA2LU Jorge in Pamplona, Spain

OM9XX Special Event station in Slovakia

OH6JYH Harri in Laukaa, Finland

HB9CEX Peter in Endingen, Switzerland

DF5WA Berthold in Mainz, Germany

LA8BCA Terje in Kvam, Norway

CU3AA Joao in IOTA EU-175 Terceira Island, Azores

DK7ZH Manfred in Dietzhoelztal, Germany

EA2LMI Luis in Navarra, Spain

DJ5AV Michael in Heilingenberg, Germany

DL3JPN Steffen in Oberlungwitz, Germany

HB9MKV Rudi in Buesserach, Switzerland

EA1DFP Quique in Coruna, Spain

IK2ILH Mau in Milan, Italy

OK2PDT Jan in Brno, Czech Republic

OK1KT Vratislav in Hradec Kralove, Czech republic

OK1SDE Borek in Liberec, Czech Republic

OM1AX Vlado in Zohor, Czech Republic

DL8UVG Volkhard in Spremberg, Germany

LA1ENA/P Aage on the SOTA summit LA/TM-227 Seterkollane in Norway (summit to
summit contact)

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Chip Stratton

Re: getting started with QRP

SOTA summit activations can be pretty amazing. A combination of a typically
super quiet RF environment, unobstructed take-off angles, and motivated
chasers means you are bound to be impressed by what QRP can do. Try it,
you'll like it.

http://www.sota.org.uk/

Chip
AE5KA
SOTA Association Manager for W5O (Oklahoma)

On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 12:26 PM, David Cutter <[hidden email]> wrote:

> A friend just did the following with 2W and an end fed half wave from SOTA
> peak G/NP-031 Birks Fell, UK, 2013 feet, 610m asl.
>
> SOTA brings QRPers together from all over the world.
>
> David
> G3UNA
>
>
> in less than 15 minutes...
>
> EA5HJY Manolo in Alicante, Spain
>
> DL1DVE Thomas in Grossroehrdorf, Germany
>
> EA5NR Isidro in Alicante, Spain
>
> CU3EJ Leonel in IOTA EU-175 Terceira Island, Azores
>
> EA2LU Jorge in Pamplona, Spain
>
> OM9XX Special Event station in Slovakia
>
> OH6JYH Harri in Laukaa, Finland
>
> HB9CEX Peter in Endingen, Switzerland
>
> DF5WA Berthold in Mainz, Germany
>
> LA8BCA Terje in Kvam, Norway
>
> CU3AA Joao in IOTA EU-175 Terceira Island, Azores
>
> DK7ZH Manfred in Dietzhoelztal, Germany
>
> EA2LMI Luis in Navarra, Spain
>
> DJ5AV Michael in Heilingenberg, Germany
>
> DL3JPN Steffen in Oberlungwitz, Germany
>
> HB9MKV Rudi in Buesserach, Switzerland
>
> EA1DFP Quique in Coruna, Spain
>
> IK2ILH Mau in Milan, Italy
>
> OK2PDT Jan in Brno, Czech Republic
>
> OK1KT Vratislav in Hradec Kralove, Czech republic
>
> OK1SDE Borek in Liberec, Czech Republic
>
> OM1AX Vlado in Zohor, Czech Republic
>
> DL8UVG Volkhard in Spremberg, Germany
>
> LA1ENA/P Aage on the SOTA summit LA/TM-227 Seterkollane in Norway (summit
> to summit contact)
>
>
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