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bob finger

k3 and N1MM question

I'm a brand new K3 user. Had it since yesterday and already love it.
I want to use the radio in split with both receivers linked all the
time. Unfortunately with N1MM if I click on a simplex spot both split
and sub receiver are turned off. Anyone know how I can defeat this so
radio stays in split mode? Thanks for the help. 73 bob de w9ge

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Barry N1EU

Re: k3 and N1MM question

Bob, you're touching on a couple of areas where N1MM Logger's control of the K3 isn't "rock solid."

The best you can probably do for now is to check the config setting "dual rx always on." With that setting, the subrx "should" stay on when a spot is grabbed. Personally, I'd like the software to leave the subrx alone and allow me to control it manually, but haven't been able to persuade the programmers.

With the current N1MM implementation, you must use the program to set and reset split mode via alt-f7. Otherwise, it doesn't know of any changes to split status. This is another area that needs programming attention.

Hopefully, N1MM Logger will improve in these two areas of K3 control in the near future.

73,
Barry N1EU

bob finger wrote

Unfortunately with N1MM if I click on a simplex spot both split
and sub receiver are turned off. Anyone know how I can defeat this so
radio stays in split mode?

Guy, K2AV

Re: k3 and N1MM question

In reply to this post by bob finger

In N1MM on entry window, click config in menu bar. About half way down,
click on "Dual RX always on".

On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 10:06 AM, bob finger <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I'm a brand new K3 user. Had it since yesterday and already love it.
> I want to use the radio in split with both receivers linked all the
> time. Unfortunately with N1MM if I click on a simplex spot both split
> and sub receiver are turned off. Anyone know how I can defeat this so
> radio stays in split mode? Thanks for the help. 73 bob de w9ge
>
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: k3 and N1MM question

In reply to this post by Barry N1EU

There are several other issues with N1MM Logger and the K3.

1) N1MM Logger sets the "wrong" sideband when changing bands
because it sets mode before changing frequencies
2) N1MM logger drops out of "run" when operating split and
tuning VFO A (receive VFO)
3) the UP/DN keys for moving RIT operate in a fixed 20 Hz
or 100 Hz step instead of the values set in the N1MM
configuration.
4) N1MM Logger does not follow the split/sub status set on
the transceiver front panel (even though support is
present in the K3 CAT protocol to determine sub/split
status).

73,

... Joe, W4TV

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Barry N1EU
> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:46 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] k3 and N1MM question
>
>
>
> Bob, you're touching on a couple of areas where N1MM Logger's
> control of the K3 isn't "rock solid."
>
> The best you can probably do for now is to check the config
> setting "dual rx always on." With that setting, the subrx
> "should" stay on when a spot is
> grabbed. Personally, I'd like the software to leave the
> subrx alone and
> allow me to control it manually, but haven't been able to
> persuade the programmers.
>
> With the current N1MM implementation, you must use the
> program to set and reset split mode via alt-f7. Otherwise,
> it doesn't know of any changes to split status. This is
> another area that needs programming attention.
>
> Hopefully, N1MM Logger will improve in these two areas of K3
> control in the near future.
>
> 73,
> Barry N1EU
>
>
>
> bob finger wrote:
> >
> > Unfortunately with N1MM if I click on a simplex spot both split
> > and sub receiver are turned off. Anyone know how I can
> defeat this so
> > radio stays in split mode?
> >
>
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n9adg

Re: k3 and N1MM question

Perhaps related to 4 -- clicking on a spot in VFO-A bandmap turns off the sub-receiver if it's on.

--- On Tue, 1/5/10, Joe Subich, W4TV <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Joe Subich, W4TV <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] k3 and N1MM question
> To: "'Barry N1EU'" <[hidden email]>, [hidden email]
> Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 8:32 AM
>
> There are several other issues with N1MM Logger and the K3.
>
>
> 1) N1MM Logger sets the "wrong" sideband when changing
> bands
>    because it sets mode before changing
> frequencies
> 2) N1MM logger drops out of "run" when operating split and
>
>    tuning VFO A (receive VFO)
> 3) the UP/DN keys for moving RIT operate in a fixed 20 Hz
>    or 100 Hz step instead of the values set
> in the N1MM
>    configuration.
> 4) N1MM Logger does not follow the split/sub status set on
>
>    the transceiver front panel (even though
> support is
>    present in the K3 CAT protocol to
> determine sub/split
>    status).
>
> 73,
>
>    ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [hidden email]
>
> > [mailto:[hidden email]]
> On Behalf Of Barry N1EU
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:46 AM
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] k3 and N1MM question
> >
> >
> >
> > Bob, you're touching on a couple of areas where N1MM
> Logger's
> > control of the K3 isn't "rock solid."
> >
> > The best you can probably do for now is to check the
> config
> > setting "dual rx always on." With that setting,
> the subrx
> > "should" stay on when a spot is
> > grabbed.   Personally, I'd like the
> software to leave the
> > subrx alone and
> > allow me to control it manually, but haven't been able
> to
> > persuade the programmers.
> >
> > With the current N1MM implementation, you must use the
>
> > program to set and reset split mode via alt-f7.
> Otherwise,
> > it doesn't know of any changes to split status.
> This is
> > another area that needs programming attention.
> >
> > Hopefully, N1MM Logger will improve in these two areas
> of K3
> > control in the near future.
> >
> > 73,
> > Barry N1EU
> >
> >
> >
> > bob finger wrote:
> > >
> > > Unfortunately with N1MM if I click on a simplex
> spot both split
> > > and sub receiver are turned off. Anyone
> know how I can
> > defeat this so
> > > radio stays in split mode?
> > >
> >
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> > http://n2.nabble.com/k3-and-N1MM-question-tp4255584p4255791.html
> > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at
> Nabble.com.
> >
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n9adg

Re: k3 and N1MM question

In reply to this post by Guy, K2AV

OOps, missed this one. Sorry.

--- On Tue, 1/5/10, Guy Olinger K2AV <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Guy Olinger K2AV <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] k3 and N1MM question
> To: "bob finger" <[hidden email]>
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 8:26 AM
> In N1MM on entry window, click config
> in menu bar. About half way down,
> click on "Dual RX always on".
>
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 10:06 AM, bob finger <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm a brand new K3 user. Had it since yesterday and
> already love it.
> > I want to use the radio in split with both receivers
> linked all the
> > time. Unfortunately with N1MM if I click on a
> simplex spot both split
> > and sub receiver are turned off. Anyone know how
> I can defeat this so
> > radio stays in split mode? Thanks for the
> help. 73 bob de w9ge
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> >
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Jim Brown-10

Re: k3 and N1MM question

In reply to this post by Joe Subich, W4TV-4

On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:32:45 -0500, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

>There are several other issues with N1MM Logger and the K3.

Yes. While I like the N1MM logger, use it, and recommend it to
others, it has it's problems, and those who write the software
don't like to be told about them. I learned that the hard way --
when I did, they took me off their email list. :)

My primary issues are 1) If the exchange you enter isn't what
N1MM is programmed to accept, it won't log the QSO, BUT IT WON'T
TELL YOU! I worked KP2D, but because the country file was "old"
it didn't believe KP2D was a good call, so it refused to save it.
Why wasn't the country file good? Because N1MM had crashed
halfway throught the contest, and I hadn't reloaded the current
one. So I made this QSO, but it's not in my log. I lose the Q,
and the other guy gets penalized for two QSOs! I asked for a
switch setting to ALWAYS SAVE a Q, no matter what, and let me fix
it later. They refused to do that. Why? They don't want N1MM to
save a "bad QSO."

2) You're running and start to respond to a station who calls you
but hear him repeat his call, so you stop sending (ESC). You're
using their "Enter Sends Message" mode, so <ENTER> should send
your exchange. But because you hit escape, it now asks the other
station for a fill rather than sending your exchange. Makes you
look stupid and slows everything down, in a very common
situation.

In comparison to these issues, control issues with the K3 are
minor. :)

73,

Jim K9YC

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