k3-broadcast band reception

[Dave, G4AON]

What Fred is referring to is the display on-line at "Mailman". I
complained about the same thing a few days ago but might as well save my
fingers, it is caused by posting e-mails in "Preformat" or whatever
various e-mail programs call it. Using "Body Text" cures the problem!

73 Dave, G4AON
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By golly Fred, that message displayed just fine here, either in MS Outlook
or using a simple text reader like Notepad.

Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
Larry
WD4MBE

You reflector post - is like 5 lines, and each line
is a couple hundred characters wide. It makes for
very poor email posting. Do you send you normal
emails to friends, like this?

Fred N3CSY
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[David Woolley (E.L)]

Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:

> Okay. Outlook just calls it "plain text" (no formatting for lines or fonts).
> It's a VERY common format and generally preferred since it allows the
> reader's computer do the wrapping.
>
> Looking at the QTH.NET archives, I see the same thing, but it's no longer
> the same format the e-mail sender posted. It's been converted and formatted
> in HTML for display in a web browser.
>
> QTH.NET needs to fix how Mailman converts text to display in HTML with their
> browser frame.
>

QTH.NET is behaving correctly if not pragmatically (so any pragmatic fix
should allow an option for correct behaviour as well).

The real problem in this case appears to be the unofficial, nabble.com,
  web gateway to the list, which really just acts a mail user agent when
posting.  Whilst most GUI email clients have now corrected their over
the wire formats so that plain text is physically wrapped when sent, it
looks like it still has the problem with early GUI mail clients of
thinking that newline is a paragraph, rather than line, delimiter.

Users of nabble might also like to know that the postings through nabble
result in a weak spam score being applied by my ISP (I have about 15% of
digests reach the full 5 score for being treated as spam, although that
requires scores for several different reasons):

        0.2 WHOIS_MYPRIVREG        URL registered to myprivateregistration.com
        [URIs: nabble.com]

This appears to be a standard spamassassin rule, although the score may
or may not be the default for that rule.

(Some of the spam scoring from the digest are the result of legitimate
content looking like obfuscation, and are difficult to avoid, given the
nature of the content - callsigns and component references).
--
David Woolley
Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want.
RFC1855 says there should be an address here, but, in a world of spam,
that is no longer good advice, as archive address hiding may not work.
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[Julian, G4ILO]

Ron D'Eau Claire wrote

Looking at the QTH.NET archives, I see the same thing, but it's no longer
the same format the e-mail sender posted. It's been converted and formatted
in HTML for display in a web browser.

QTH.NET needs to fix how Mailman converts text to display in HTML with their
browser frame.

Why not just switch to using the Nabble archive (link at the bottom of this message)? It's a heap better than any of the other archives, it has no problem with wrapping long lines, and you can post directly from it (as I am now doing) - just subscribe using the same email address you use for the reflector. I have given up receiving direct copies of reflector postings, Nabble is so much more convenient.

When Eric gets a moment :) perhaps he could add a link to the Nabble archives on the Elecraft web page?

[Julian, G4ILO]

David Woolley-3 wrote

The real problem in this case appears to be the unofficial, nabble.com,
  web gateway to the list, which really just acts a mail user agent when
posting.  Whilst most GUI email clients have now corrected their over
the wire formats so that plain text is physically wrapped when sent, it
looks like it still has the problem with early GUI mail clients of
thinking that newline is a paragraph, rather than line, delimiter.

I think you're wrong about that, David. The message with the long lines that provoked this off-topic digression was not posted through Nabble. My post just now through Nabble appears properly wrapped when viewed through MailMan.

[Ken Wagner K3IU]

It's already there on the "email list" page.
HNY,
Ken K3IU

G4ILO wrote:
> When Eric gets a moment :) perhaps he could add a link to the Nabble
> archives on the Elecraft web page?
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[David Woolley (E.L)]

G4ILO wrote:

> I think you're wrong about that, David. The message with the long lines that
> provoked this off-topic digression was not posted through Nabble. My post

Then why does it have a nabble message-ID?   Maybe there is more than
one way of posting using nabble tools and only some do not obey the
first part of the internet requirement "be correct in what you send; be
tolerant in what you accept".

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> just now through Nabble appears properly wrapped when viewed through
> MailMan.

   Your headers don't mention JavaMail, so I suspect that is the problem
tool, at least for nabble postings.

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David Woolley
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that is no longer good advice, as archive address hiding may not work.
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[Julian, G4ILO]

David Woolley-3 wrote

Your headers don't mention JavaMail, so I suspect that is the problem tool, at least for nabble postings.

You could be on to something. Perhaps a different posting method is used if you use Firefox (as I do) instead of Internet Explorer. It might also have to do with whether you tick the "Message is in HTML Format" box, which I have just done, as an experiment.

[Julian, G4ILO]

G4ILO wrote

You could be on to something. Perhaps a different posting method is used if you use Firefox (as I do) instead of Internet Explorer. It might also have to do with whether you tick the "Message is in HTML Format" box, which I have just done, as an experiment.

Well, that looked OK when viewed in the MARC archives. Let's try posting using Internet Explorer to see if that is the culprit. The curious thing was the message in question didn't appear to have the "sent from nabble" footer. That's why I thought it didn't come from here.

[Bill N2BC]

It would be quite helpful if the subject line matched the subject.   Even
more helpful if this discussion were taken somewhere more appropriate.

Feeling grumpy this morning.

HNY  Bill  N2BC


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From: "G4ILO" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 6:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] k3-broadcast band reception

>
>
> G4ILO wrote:
>>
>> You could be on to something. Perhaps a different posting method is used
>> if you use Firefox (as I do) instead of Internet Explorer. It might also
>> have to do with whether you tick the "Message is in HTML Format" box,
>> which I have just done, as an experiment.
>>
> Well, that looked OK when viewed in the MARC archives. Let's try posting
> using Internet Explorer to see if that is the culprit. The curious thing
> was
> the message in question didn't appear to have the "sent from nabble"
> footer.
> That's why I thought it didn't come from here.
>
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