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haircutter@verizon.net
Hello Folks,
Going on a trip and was wondering what kind of hassle I would get if I packed my KX1 in my baggage. Would it look like a "bomb"? Was thinking of putting a copy of my amatuer ticket on the box. But I bet no one there knows what a ham radio operator is. Is it worth the trouble?

Don...w2xb
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RE: kx1 on airlines

Darwin, Keith
Pack it in your shoe so they don't find it.  What they don't know won't
hurt 'em, right?

... :-)

My guess is you'd be fine if it was checked.  Do people carry MP3
players onboard?  If they can bring that or a walkman, you'd think a
similar sized ham rig would be OK.

- Keith N1AS -
- K2 5411.ssb.100 -
- K3 711 -

-----Original Message-----
Going on a trip and was wondering what kind of hassle I would get if I
packed my KX1 in my baggage. Would it look like a "bomb"? Was thinking
of putting a copy of my amatuer ticket on the box. But I bet no one
there knows what a ham radio operator is. Is it worth the trouble?

Don...w2xb
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Re: kx1 on airlines

ne1rd
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Don,

I have traveled with my KX1 quite a bit and have never
had a problem. It is in a small Pelican case along with
paddles, ear phones, etc. I just tell them it is a radio.
I cannot remember ever turning it on to prove it.

Since the XRay machine will not be able to peer into it,
it will almost certainly be hand checked. But, other than
the inconvenience and a few extra minutes, you should
have no trouble (says me). Oh, and I do have a copy
of my license (laminated) in with it. A few (not many,
but a few) know what it is and what it means.

Safe travels.

-- Scott (NE1RD)

Blachura wrote
Hello Folks,
Going on a trip and was wondering what kind of hassle I would get if I packed my KX1 in my baggage. Would it look like a "bomb"? Was thinking of putting a copy of my amatuer ticket on the box. But I bet no one there knows what a ham radio operator is. Is it worth the trouble?

Don...w2xb
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Re: kx1 on airlines

Bill VanAlstyne W5WVO
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My understabnding of what they are looking for in checked baggage, using
either dogs or instruments, is the extremely low-concentration outgassing from
explosive materials. I don't think your KX-1 would trouble anyone in the
least. MHOO, etc.

Bill W5WVO


Blachura wrote:
> Hello Folks,
> Going on a trip and was wondering what kind of hassle I would get if I
> packed my KX1 in my baggage. Would it look like a "bomb"? Was
> thinking of putting a copy of my amatuer ticket on the box. But I bet
> no one there knows what a ham radio operator is. Is it worth the
> trouble?
>
> Don...w2xb

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Re: kx1 on airlines

Dave Andrus-3
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It wasn't a KX1, but I recently carried my K2 (including the internal  
SLA battery option) in my carry-on bag, and had no problems going  
round trip San Francisco/Orlando.  Best protocol is to take it out of  
your bag and put it in one of the plastic bins, just like you'd do for  
a laptop computer.  That way, you're "declaring" it, rather than  
causing them to want to dig in to your bag just to see what in the  
heck that little box really might be. In SFO, they did tell me that  
they wanted to scan it twice, but didn't ask any other questions.  
Nothing said at all in Orlando.

FWIW, there should be no problems carrying a gell-cell or SLA-type  
battery as long as it's installed in the equipment.  Same should apply  
to the battery pack for your KX1, unless you're doing something more,  
um, custom.  I've always carried loose AA-size batteries with no issues.

There ARE quite a few ham things--mostly homebrew gear--that I would  
not try to take through airline security these days.  They are  
extremely suspicious of any thing that doesn't look "commercial build"  
quality, ie handbuilt "don't know what this thing is" kind of stuff!

BTW, I had my little PAC-12 antenna in a checked suitcase, which got  
inspected by Homeland Security on both legs of the trip (as evidenced  
by the little paper "calling card" they leave inside the bag).  On the  
return leg, the dim bulb inspector couldn't figure out how my "TSA  
approved" lock on the suitcase was supposed to unlatch, so he broke it  
and the latch on my suitcase getting it open!  I thought it was  
unusual that they'd inspect it on both legs of the trip, until it  
dawned on me that the loading coils for the antenna are basically PVC  
pipe sections with wire wound around the outside, and metal caps on  
each end.  Uh oh--pipe bomb!!  Guess I'll carry a dipole or doublet  
next time!

73,

Dave K7DAA
http://www.k7daa.com

On Apr 22, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Darwin, Keith wrote:

> Pack it in your shoe so they don't find it.  What they don't know  
> won't
> hurt 'em, right?
>
> ... :-)
>
> My guess is you'd be fine if it was checked.  Do people carry MP3
> players onboard?  If they can bring that or a walkman, you'd think a
> similar sized ham rig would be OK.
>
> - Keith N1AS -
> - K2 5411.ssb.100 -
> - K3 711 -
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Going on a trip and was wondering what kind of hassle I would get if I
> packed my KX1 in my baggage. Would it look like a "bomb"? Was thinking
> of putting a copy of my amatuer ticket on the box. But I bet no one
> there knows what a ham radio operator is. Is it worth the trouble?
>
> Don...w2xb
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Re: kx1 on airlines

dock0evz
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Don:

 Be sure to bring along ur owner's manual (fer the value of the photo of the on the cover).  Next be sure to have at some lite-weight headphones handy.  Also bring along along some small battery setup (9v shud do it) which you can plug in *only* if asked.  I wud stay away from any internal batteries until the thru security.
What I have just just suggested might well enable you to get thru security somewhere--if some agent asks you turn on your radio, etc., and you have long ago packed your larger battery in your checked luggage (g).

GL and have a great trip.

73,
--Doc/K0EVZ

Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel

-----Original Message-----
From: "Bill W5WVO" <[hidden email]>

Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:30:35
To:"Blachura" <[hidden email]>, <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] kx1 on airlines


My understabnding of what they are looking for in checked baggage, using
either dogs or instruments, is the extremely low-concentration outgassing from
explosive materials. I don't think your KX-1 would trouble anyone in the
least. MHOO, etc.

Bill W5WVO


Blachura wrote:
> Hello Folks,
> Going on a trip and was wondering what kind of hassle I would get if I
> packed my KX1 in my baggage. Would it look like a "bomb"? Was
> thinking of putting a copy of my amatuer ticket on the box. But I bet
> no one there knows what a ham radio operator is. Is it worth the
> trouble?
>
> Don...w2xb

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Re: kx1 on airlines

Jeff Kinzli N6GQ
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I've traveled with my K3 and had it in my carryon luggage, they never
even asked what it was.

Now, my Begali paddle, that was another story. It's got a Palladium
base and apparently the xray can't see through it or something.
Anyhow, it took 3 agents to finally figure that one out and approve
it. :)

-Jeff N6GQ

On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 12:48 PM, Blachura <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>  Hello Folks,
>  Going on a trip and was wondering what kind of hassle I would get if I
>  packed my KX1 in my baggage. Would it look like a "bomb"? Was thinking of
>  putting a copy of my amatuer ticket on the box. But I bet no one there knows
>  what a ham radio operator is. Is it worth the trouble?
>
>  Don...w2xb
>  --
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Re: kx1 on airlines

Phil Kane-2
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On 4/22/2008 1:36 PM, Dave Andrus wrote:

> It wasn't a KX1, but I recently carried my K2 (including the internal
> SLA battery option) in my carry-on bag, and had no problems going round
> trip San Francisco/Orlando.  Best protocol is to take it out of your bag
> and put it in one of the plastic bins, just like you'd do for a laptop
> computer.  That way, you're "declaring" it, rather than causing them to
> want to dig in to your bag just to see what in the heck that little box
> really might be. In SFO, they did tell me that they wanted to scan it
> twice, but didn't ask any other questions.  Nothing said at all in Orlando.

Last year we flew from Portland (OR) to San Francisco, on to New York,
and then on to Frankfurt and Tel Aviv and return, with stopovers in each
city.  I had my ICOM HT in my carry-on bag and was not questioned nor
detained through all the screenings, nor was I asked to take my shoes
off except in the US airports.

What they are looking for in the US appears to be illegal and dangerous
stuff like tubes of toothpaste and bottles of mouthwash as well as fresh
fruit or sandwiches with ketchup and mayonnaise - the really dangerous
stuff.  I've been around real security screening at sensitive
installations and the airline security screening in the US is a joke.
The "foreigners" appear to know how to do it right and at much less of a
hassle to the travelers.

Next time I may even take my K2 with me.... <ggg>
--

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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RE: kx1 on airlines

Joe Subich, W4TV-3
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> It wasn't a KX1, but I recently carried my K2 (including the
> internal SLA battery option) in my carry-on bag, and had no
> problems going round trip San Francisco/Orlando.

Be careful about batteries in both carry on and checked luggage.
There have been changes in the rules concerning batteries -
particularly what and how much can be carried/checked.  Check
with TSA before flying, the rules have effected news crews and
technicians who travel with battery powered test equipment.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV
   


> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Dave Andrus
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 4:37 PM
> To: Elecraft List
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] kx1 on airlines
>
>
> It wasn't a KX1, but I recently carried my K2 (including the
> internal  
> SLA battery option) in my carry-on bag, and had no problems going  
> round trip San Francisco/Orlando.  Best protocol is to take
> it out of  
> your bag and put it in one of the plastic bins, just like
> you'd do for  
> a laptop computer.  That way, you're "declaring" it, rather than  
> causing them to want to dig in to your bag just to see what in the  
> heck that little box really might be. In SFO, they did tell me that  
> they wanted to scan it twice, but didn't ask any other questions.  
> Nothing said at all in Orlando.
>
> FWIW, there should be no problems carrying a gell-cell or SLA-type  
> battery as long as it's installed in the equipment.  Same
> should apply  
> to the battery pack for your KX1, unless you're doing
> something more,  
> um, custom.  I've always carried loose AA-size batteries with
> no issues.
>
> There ARE quite a few ham things--mostly homebrew gear--that I would  
> not try to take through airline security these days.  They are  
> extremely suspicious of any thing that doesn't look
> "commercial build"  
> quality, ie handbuilt "don't know what this thing is" kind of stuff!
>
> BTW, I had my little PAC-12 antenna in a checked suitcase, which got  
> inspected by Homeland Security on both legs of the trip (as
> evidenced  
> by the little paper "calling card" they leave inside the
> bag).  On the  
> return leg, the dim bulb inspector couldn't figure out how my "TSA  
> approved" lock on the suitcase was supposed to unlatch, so he
> broke it  
> and the latch on my suitcase getting it open!  I thought it was  
> unusual that they'd inspect it on both legs of the trip, until it  
> dawned on me that the loading coils for the antenna are
> basically PVC  
> pipe sections with wire wound around the outside, and metal caps on  
> each end.  Uh oh--pipe bomb!!  Guess I'll carry a dipole or doublet  
> next time!
>
> 73,
>
> Dave K7DAA
> http://www.k7daa.com
>
> On Apr 22, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Darwin, Keith wrote:
>
> > Pack it in your shoe so they don't find it.  What they don't know
> > won't
> > hurt 'em, right?
> >
> > ... :-)
> >
> > My guess is you'd be fine if it was checked.  Do people carry MP3
> > players onboard?  If they can bring that or a walkman,
> you'd think a
> > similar sized ham rig would be OK.
> >
> > - Keith N1AS -
> > - K2 5411.ssb.100 -
> > - K3 711 -
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Going on a trip and was wondering what kind of hassle I
> would get if I
> > packed my KX1 in my baggage. Would it look like a "bomb"?
> Was thinking
> > of putting a copy of my amatuer ticket on the box. But I bet no one
> > there knows what a ham radio operator is. Is it worth the trouble?
> >
> > Don...w2xb
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Re: kx1 on airlines

Bill Steffey NY9H
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At 04:09 PM 4/22/2008, Jeff Kinzli N6GQ wrote:
>I've traveled with my


With my K2 qrp  with SLA  in a pelican case.... with antenna wires  etc....

I went from Chicago to London to Cairo,,,,,    then Cairo thru
Stuttgart to Barcelona....

then a boat to Lisbon... and air back to London  to  Chicago....

Only at London Heathrow on the return trip did they want to see what
the Xray could not go thru ( the sla)... they had me open it up in
the baggage handling area....

At SU9FL, Greg hooked it to the Vertical on the roof and worked JA on 40 !!!
...  used it in all the approved places including on the boat.

bill

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Re: kx1 on airlines

KENT TRIMBLE
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Took a KX1 to Maui last October inside a carry-on camera case containing
2 paddles, 4 coils of antenna wire, 4 coils of ground-plane wire,
batteries, and several other red-flag items guaranteed to make their
day.  As I walked through the screening arch I had license, manual, and
invoice documents in hand ready to show TSA.  The camera case and my
body went through all their machines with no questions asked, both at
St. Louis and at Los Angeles.

The only suspicions I manage to raise was checking into ECN with a wire
going into the tree above me while I sat on a chaise lounge mere feet
from the ocean surf.  A hotel security guard stopped his golf-cart,
flashed me a big smile, and asked if he could help.  I replied, "Don't
need any help but I'll bet you're curious as hell as to what I'm
doing."  He flashed another mahalo smile and yes, "yup."  A quick
mention of the word "ham radio" brought his hand into the air with a
dismissive "good luck" as he rapidly drove off.


K9ZTV


Blachura wrote:
> Hello Folks,
> Going on a trip and was wondering what kind of hassle I would get if I
> packed my KX1 in my baggage. Would it look like a "bomb"? Was thinking of
> putting a copy of my amatuer ticket on the box. But I bet no one there knows
> what a ham radio operator is. Is it worth the trouble?
>
> Don...w2xb
>  
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Re: kx1 on airlines

Bill Steffey NY9H
At 05:20 PM 4/22/2008, K9ZTV wrote:
>Took a KX1 to Maui last O
>The only suspicions I ......


while in the Caribbean,,  on a VERY big boat..  I had the k2's
antenna sticking out on a extended tent pole from the room's balcony,

the guy in the room next door asked if the fishing line dropping down
three decks  but not hitting the water   had lost it's
lure.  ...errrr not exactly...

bill

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radios on airlines

Charly
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Many times, carry one radios are "swiped" with a small pad that is then tested for whatever should not show up.

Checked bags with radios are many times opened and checked.

The bad news of this the re-packing of the radio is sometimes haphazard and not as good as you did.  

I am called on to fly with ham radio, video cameras, and laptop computer.... which should I check because

they all can not go in carry-on?   In Delhi, the bag guys stole the camera and computer but I was carrying

the radio.... Delta Airlines who refused to replace anything.


Charles Harpole

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> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:09:29 -0700
> From: [hidden email]
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] kx1 on airlines
> CC: [hidden email]
>
> I've traveled with my K3 and had it in my carryon luggage, they never
> even asked what it was.
>
> Now, my Begali paddle, that was another story. It's got a Palladium
> base and apparently the xray can't see through it or something.
> Anyhow, it took 3 agents to finally figure that one out and approve
> it. :)
>
> -Jeff N6GQ
>
> On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 12:48 PM, Blachura <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >  Hello Folks,
> >  Going on a trip and was wondering what kind of hassle I would get if I
> >  packed my KX1 in my baggage. Would it look like a "bomb"? Was thinking of
> >  putting a copy of my amatuer ticket on the box. But I bet no one there knows
> >  what a ham radio operator is. Is it worth the trouble?
> >
> >  Don...w2xb
> >  --
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Re: kx1 on airlines

Chris Kantarjiev K6DBG
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I travel with my KX1 in a small Pelican case on a regular basis.
The radio has lithium batteries installed.  The case includes the
paddle, the banana plug adapter, antenna wire and headphones. I
have a copy of my license stuffed in the back, between the colored
liner and the clear outer case.

I would *not* check mine, for fear that it wander off.

I usually travel with a rat's nest of stuff in my backpack, and
am rarely bothered. I *have* learned to use small zipper lock
bags to keep the stuff separate for my own sanity!

73 de chris K6DBG
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Re: kx1 on airlines

michael taylor-3
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On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV
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>
>  There have been changes in the rules concerning batteries -
>  particularly what and how much can be carried/checked.  Check
>  with TSA before flying, the rules have effected news crews and

Agreed, you can go to <http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/> or in particular
<http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/prohibited/permitted-prohibited-items.shtm>
to find out what is and is not allowed carry-on or checked in the USA.

As others have suggested I would be careful about large batteries
(larger than a 'D' cell). Spillable lead-acid are not allowed except
for in wheelchairs for example.

Some airlines have additional information and resources, so you may
want to check their web sites as well.

-Michael, VE3TIX
(I have carried my FT-847 as carry-on with no problem on 2
international flights, but no SLA batteries)
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Re: kx1 on airlines

w7aqk
I find it very contradictory that I cannot take my small,
pocket knife (blade maybe 1 to 2 inches long or so), but I
can take sharp pointed, metal scissors on board so long as
they are less than 4 inches!  As for batteries, I've never
had them question those.  I carry several for use with my
ATS3 QRP rig.  Usually I just carry AA's, but on occasion I
have carried a 12V 5 amp hour battery on board, and they
said nothing about it.

Dave W7AQK


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From: "michael taylor" <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] kx1 on airlines


> On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>  There have been changes in the rules concerning
>> batteries -
>>  particularly what and how much can be carried/checked.
>> Check
>>  with TSA before flying, the rules have effected news
>> crews and
>
> Agreed, you can go to <http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/> or
> in particular
> <http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/prohibited/permitted-prohibited-items.shtm>
> to find out what is and is not allowed carry-on or checked
> in the USA.
>
> As others have suggested I would be careful about large
> batteries
> (larger than a 'D' cell). Spillable lead-acid are not
> allowed except
> for in wheelchairs for example.
>
> Some airlines have additional information and resources,
> so you may
> want to check their web sites as well.
>
> -Michael, VE3TIX
> (I have carried my FT-847 as carry-on with no problem on 2
> international flights, but no SLA batteries)
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Re: kx1 on airlines

Bob Cunnings NW8L
Here is a link to information about batteries and airline travel:

http://tinyurl.com/2oy5md

from the FAA.

We've been pointing to this from our website (at work) since we
manufacture battery powered devices and our customers have been
confused by recent rule changes.

Bob NW8L


> > On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV
> > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >  There have been changes in the rules concerning batteries -
> > >  particularly what and how much can be carried/checked. Check
> > >  with TSA before flying, the rules have effected news crews and
> > >
> >
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