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David F. Reed-2

modification requested

The K3 seems to ignore polls for 100mS or more when changing bands, and
also seems to randomly drop polls; this is causing some problems
interfacing with other equipment, and I cannot find a way to work around it.

Is this something I can look forward to a fix for, or something I have
to live with?

Thanks and 73 de Dave, W5SV
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Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA

The K3 firmware update list?

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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: The K3 firmware update list?

Jeff,

That "list" is the property of the developers - Wayne and Lyle.
It is not public, but some information about what is on it is available
from reflector posts by Wayne and Lyle. You can lobby for the priority
position of your particular concerns.

To get 'stuff' added to the list, just ask here on the reflector. Both
Wayne and Lyle monitor the reflector. You may not receive a personal
response, but you will be heard. Like everything else, it will be
considered. If there is a lot of support for your particular idea, it
may even be accelerated to "important" status.

73,
Don W3FPR

Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> I have seen a few posts here in my short time on the list to ask for changes / updates / upgrades to the firmware for the K3.
> As a result, I have a few questions:
>
> My questions are:
> Is there a definative [possible] firmware update list?
> And, Is the list public?
> Also, If the list is public, where can I see a copy?
> And the biggy, how can we get stuff added to the list?
>
>

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Re: The K3 firmware update list?

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Mike Reublin

Re: modification requested

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Dave,
Why are you polling the K3? A limit of some software you're using? There is a CONFIG
setting, AUTOINF (p. 54 of my manual), that causes the K3 to broadcast it's info when
you change things (freq, mode) on the rig.

73, Mike NF4L

On 7/19/2010 11:16 PM, David F. Reed wrote:

> The K3 seems to ignore polls for 100mS or more when changing bands, and
> also seems to randomly drop polls; this is causing some problems
> interfacing with other equipment, and I cannot find a way to work around it.
>
> Is this something I can look forward to a fix for, or something I have
> to live with?
>
> Thanks and 73 de Dave, W5SV
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alsopb

Re: modification requested

Guys,
Seem to run into this problem using LP-BRIDGE with my normal logging
software packages (e.g. WIN-EQF and N1MM Logger).

When transmitting (e.g. a CQ) the "radio" sometimes times out. It is
very annoying. You get an answer to a CQ and have

to click click on the restart window while trying to enter the call sign.

I assume this is a timeout function in LP-BRIDGE but don't know for sure.

The above software packages don't time out when not connected via
LP-BRIDGE.

It is not an RFI issue.

Trying to resolve this results in a case of finger pointing.

> 73 de Brian/K3KO

Mike wrote:

> Dave,
> Why are you polling the K3? A limit of some software you're using? There is a CONFIG
> setting, AUTOINF (p. 54 of my manual), that causes the K3 to broadcast it's info when
> you change things (freq, mode) on the rig.
>
> 73, Mike NF4L
>
> On 7/19/2010 11:16 PM, David F. Reed wrote:
>> The K3 seems to ignore polls for 100mS or more when changing bands, and
>> also seems to randomly drop polls; this is causing some problems
>> interfacing with other equipment, and I cannot find a way to work around it.
>>
>> Is this something I can look forward to a fix for, or something I have
>> to live with?
>>
>> Thanks and 73 de Dave, W5SV
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Mike Reublin

Re: modification requested

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I sent this before, but it didn't seem to make it. Sorry if two show up.

Dave,
Why are you polling the K3? A limit of some software you're using? There is a CONFIG
setting, AUTOINF (p. 54 of my manual), that causes the K3 to broadcast it's info when
you change things (freq, mode) on the rig.

73, Mike NF4L

On 7/19/2010 11:16 PM, David F. Reed wrote:

Jon Kåre Hellan

Re: modification requested

Mike wrote:
> I sent this before, but it didn't seem to make it. Sorry if two show up.
>
> Dave,
> Why are you polling the K3? A limit of some software you're using? There is a CONFIG
> setting, AUTOINF (p. 54 of my manual), that causes the K3 to broadcast it's info when
> you change things (freq, mode) on the rig.

If you want to let multiple programs access the same serial port, this can be done with software
like LP-PAN. But there's no addressing in serial port comms, so PC pull works better than device
push. When a client of LP-PAN polls, LP-PAN can forward the reply to this client. When the K3
broadcasts, LP-PAN can either suppress the message or forward it to all clients and hope they
don't get confused.

73

Jon LA4RT

>
> 73, Mike NF4L
>
> On 7/19/2010 11:16 PM, David F. Reed wrote:
>> The K3 seems to ignore polls for 100mS or more when changing bands, and
>> also seems to randomly drop polls; this is causing some problems
>> interfacing with other equipment, and I cannot find a way to work around it.
>>
>> Is this something I can look forward to a fix for, or something I have
>> to live with?
>>
>> Thanks and 73 de Dave, W5SV
>> ______________________________________________________________
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: modification requested

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> Dave, Why are you polling the K3?

Most, if not all, logging software needs to poll the rig
to determine its operating frequency. In addition, other
hardware/software systems like LP-Pan/LP-Bridge. microHAM
products, etc. poll the rig to determine frequency and/or
mode to support features like automatic antenna switching,
support amplifiers not capable of band switching based on
BCD "Band Data" etc.

"Polling the rig" has been a standard technique in software
since the earliest computer controllable radios and "silent
periods" (periods in which the radio simply fails to respond)
are an issue.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 7/20/2010 7:16 AM, Mike wrote:

> Dave, Why are you polling the K3? A limit of some software you're
> using? There is a CONFIG setting, AUTOINF (p. 54 of my manual), that
> causes the K3 to broadcast it's info when you change things (freq,
> mode) on the rig.
>
> 73, Mike NF4L
>
> On 7/19/2010 11:16 PM, David F. Reed wrote:
>> The K3 seems to ignore polls for 100mS or more when changing bands,
>> and also seems to randomly drop polls; this is causing some
>> problems interfacing with other equipment, and I cannot find a way
>> to work around it.
>>
>> Is this something I can look forward to a fix for, or something I
>> have to live with?
>>
>> Thanks and 73 de Dave, W5SV
>> ______________________________________________________________
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Mike Reublin

Re: modification requested

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Jon -
Pull is different from polling. Polling is, in my opinion, a waste of resources. Pull
is OK.
73, Mike NF4L

On 7/20/2010 9:40 AM, Jon K Hellan wrote:

> Mike wrote:
>> I sent this before, but it didn't seem to make it. Sorry if two show up.
>>
>> Dave,
>> Why are you polling the K3? A limit of some software you're using? There is a CONFIG
>> setting, AUTOINF (p. 54 of my manual), that causes the K3 to broadcast it's info when
>> you change things (freq, mode) on the rig.
> If you want to let multiple programs access the same serial port, this can be done with software
> like LP-PAN. But there's no addressing in serial port comms, so PC pull works better than device
> push. When a client of LP-PAN polls, LP-PAN can forward the reply to this client. When the K3
> broadcasts, LP-PAN can either suppress the message or forward it to all clients and hope they
> don't get confused.
>
> 73
>
> Jon LA4RT
>
>> 73, Mike NF4L
>>
>> On 7/19/2010 11:16 PM, David F. Reed wrote:
>>> The K3 seems to ignore polls for 100mS or more when changing bands, and
>>> also seems to randomly drop polls; this is causing some problems
>>> interfacing with other equipment, and I cannot find a way to work around it.
>>>
>>> Is this something I can look forward to a fix for, or something I have
>>> to live with?
>>>
>>> Thanks and 73 de Dave, W5SV
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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Mike Reublin

Re: modification requested

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That's a limitation from the dark ages. :-)
My logging software has the option of polling, (for those rigs that still insist on
it) or not. It's fairly trivial to implement.
73, Mike NF4L

On 7/20/2010 10:38 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

> > Dave, Why are you polling the K3?
>
> Most, if not all, logging software needs to poll the rig
> to determine its operating frequency. In addition, other
> hardware/software systems like LP-Pan/LP-Bridge. microHAM
> products, etc. poll the rig to determine frequency and/or
> mode to support features like automatic antenna switching,
> support amplifiers not capable of band switching based on
> BCD "Band Data" etc.
>
> "Polling the rig" has been a standard technique in software
> since the earliest computer controllable radios and "silent
> periods" (periods in which the radio simply fails to respond)
> are an issue.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
> On 7/20/2010 7:16 AM, Mike wrote:
>> Dave, Why are you polling the K3? A limit of some software you're
>> using? There is a CONFIG setting, AUTOINF (p. 54 of my manual), that
>> causes the K3 to broadcast it's info when you change things (freq,
>> mode) on the rig.
>>
>> 73, Mike NF4L
>>
>> On 7/19/2010 11:16 PM, David F. Reed wrote:
>>> The K3 seems to ignore polls for 100mS or more when changing bands,
>>> and also seems to randomly drop polls; this is causing some
>>> problems interfacing with other equipment, and I cannot find a way
>>> to work around it.
>>>
>>> Is this something I can look forward to a fix for, or something I
>>> have to live with?
>>>
>>> Thanks and 73 de Dave, W5SV
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> Elecraft mailing list Home:
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: modification requested

> That's a limitation from the dark ages. :-)

Even the K3 fails to provide all of the data necessary to
completely decode all operational states in the auto-
information broadcasts thus the need to poll. Your logger
may be happy with the frequency of VFO A but the lack of
information on VFO B, and/or dual/diversity/locked status
is a killer for high performance applications including
any application that controls a tunable antenna, tuner,
or amplifier based on the transmit frequency or hardware
that selects receive antennas for the sub-receiver based
on its frequency.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 7/20/2010 11:04 AM, Mike wrote:

> That's a limitation from the dark ages. :-)
> My logging software has the option of polling, (for those rigs that still insist on
> it) or not. It's fairly trivial to implement.
> 73, Mike NF4L
>
> On 7/20/2010 10:38 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>> > Dave, Why are you polling the K3?
>>
>> Most, if not all, logging software needs to poll the rig
>> to determine its operating frequency. In addition, other
>> hardware/software systems like LP-Pan/LP-Bridge. microHAM
>> products, etc. poll the rig to determine frequency and/or
>> mode to support features like automatic antenna switching,
>> support amplifiers not capable of band switching based on
>> BCD "Band Data" etc.
>>
>> "Polling the rig" has been a standard technique in software
>> since the earliest computer controllable radios and "silent
>> periods" (periods in which the radio simply fails to respond)
>> are an issue.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>> On 7/20/2010 7:16 AM, Mike wrote:
>>> Dave, Why are you polling the K3? A limit of some software you're
>>> using? There is a CONFIG setting, AUTOINF (p. 54 of my manual), that
>>> causes the K3 to broadcast it's info when you change things (freq,
>>> mode) on the rig.
>>>
>>> 73, Mike NF4L
>>>
>>> On 7/19/2010 11:16 PM, David F. Reed wrote:
>>>> The K3 seems to ignore polls for 100mS or more when changing bands,
>>>> and also seems to randomly drop polls; this is causing some
>>>> problems interfacing with other equipment, and I cannot find a way
>>>> to work around it.
>>>>
>>>> Is this something I can look forward to a fix for, or something I
>>>> have to live with?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks and 73 de Dave, W5SV
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>> Elecraft mailing list Home:
>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:
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>>>
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wayne burdick

Re: modification requested

Administrator

Joe,

Please send me a list of all the desired auto-info items presently
missing, in priority order. The next revision of firmware already has
a few new ones, but I'll be happy to phase in more of them as I get
time.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Jul 20, 2010, at 3:23 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

>
>> That's a limitation from the dark ages. :-)
>
> Even the K3 fails to provide all of the data necessary to
> completely decode all operational states in the auto-
> information broadcasts thus the need to poll. Your logger
> may be happy with the frequency of VFO A but the lack of
> information on VFO B, and/or dual/diversity/locked status
> is a killer for high performance applications including
> any application that controls a tunable antenna, tuner,
> or amplifier based on the transmit frequency or hardware
> that selects receive antennas for the sub-receiver based
> on its frequency.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV