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eric manning-2

more Bass in K3 with PR-40

Rich said:

intelligibility is concentrated around 1-2K Hz. Yes?

I think so. If my failing memory serves, early Bell Labs work found that
300 - 3000 Hz was the minimum- width audio band which preserved
intelligibility
and allowed the speaker to be recognized.
That became the basis of the A/D converters which in turn fed the
T-series [T-1, T-2 etc] of digital transmission systems for the
telephone network.
On the other hand, much of this thread seems to be about speech fidelity
[Does it sound Great?] as opposed to intelligibility [Can I copy it?]

Eric
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Nr4c

Re: more Bass in K3 with PR-40

I really think this thread has been about hams wanting to sound like
the announcer on the big time radio station with a million dollar
transmitter and a studio. That kind of sound is not really in the realm
of amateur communications, nor the budget. We'd need a different
license to sound that way.

My $0.02 worth....

...bill nr4c

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:16:29 -0700, eric manning wrote:

> Rich said:
>
> intelligibility is concentrated around 1-2K Hz. Yes?
>
> I think so. If my failing memory serves, early Bell Labs work found
> that
> 300 - 3000 Hz was the minimum- width audio band which preserved
> intelligibility
> and allowed the speaker to be recognized.
> That became the basis of the A/D converters which in turn fed the
> T-series [T-1, T-2 etc] of digital transmission systems for the
> telephone network.
> On the other hand, much of this thread seems to be about speech
> fidelity
> [Does it sound Great?] as opposed to intelligibility [Can I copy it?]
>
> Eric
> VA7DZ
>
> --
>
> "Democracy depends on well-informed voters;
> absent that, it is all mud flowing down hill."
> --Charles Harpole

Bob Stevens

Re: more Bass in K3 with PR-40

I agree with Bill; I ran a Collins S-line for 35 years before entering the
21st century this year with a K3, and people talked about Collins sounding
so good-Art Collins was (is) not trying to sound like a broadcast station
but wanted to be able to communicate effectively-that's the real purpose of
our stations. Just my 2 cents worth, 73, Bob K9ING

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] more Bass in K3 with PR-40

I really think this thread has been about hams wanting to sound like the
announcer on the big time radio station with a million dollar transmitter
and a studio. That kind of sound is not really in the realm of amateur
communications, nor the budget. We'd need a different license to sound that
way.

My $0.02 worth....

...bill nr4c

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:16:29 -0700, eric manning wrote:

> Rich said:
>
> intelligibility is concentrated around 1-2K Hz. Yes?
>
> I think so. If my failing memory serves, early Bell Labs work found
> that
> 300 - 3000 Hz was the minimum- width audio band which preserved
> intelligibility and allowed the speaker to be recognized.
> That became the basis of the A/D converters which in turn fed the
> T-series [T-1, T-2 etc] of digital transmission systems for the
> telephone network.
> On the other hand, much of this thread seems to be about speech
> fidelity [Does it sound Great?] as opposed to intelligibility [Can I
> copy it?]
>
> Eric
> VA7DZ
>
> --
>
> "Democracy depends on well-informed voters; absent that, it is all mud
> flowing down hill."
> --Charles Harpole

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Grant Youngman

Re: more Bass in K3 with PR-40

I don't understand something. Every time on this list someone asks about a bit of fidelity in their audio, the naysayers jump in with all the usual tired counter arguments, usually punctuated by the infamous WWCD (what would Collins do).

Why not just give it a bit of a break for a change. Huh? Please, oh please?

Grant/NQ5T

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On Jun 20, 2012, at 9:38 AM, "Bob Stevens" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I agree with Bill; I ran a Collins S-line for 35 years before entering the
> 21st century this year with a K3, and people talked about Collins sounding
> so good-Art Collins was (is) not trying to sound like a broadcast station
> but wanted to be able to communicate effectively-that's the real purpose of
> our stations. Just my 2 cents worth, 73, Bob K9ING
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of nr4c
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 8:39 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] more Bass in K3 with PR-40
>
> I really think this thread has been about hams wanting to sound like the
> announcer on the big time radio station with a million dollar transmitter
> and a studio. That kind of sound is not really in the realm of amateur
> communications, nor the budget. We'd need a different license to sound that
> way.
>
>
> My $0.02 worth....
>
> ...bill nr4c
>
>
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:16:29 -0700, eric manning wrote:
>> Rich said:
>>
>> intelligibility is concentrated around 1-2K Hz. Yes?
>>
>> I think so. If my failing memory serves, early Bell Labs work found
>> that
>> 300 - 3000 Hz was the minimum- width audio band which preserved
>> intelligibility and allowed the speaker to be recognized.
>> That became the basis of the A/D converters which in turn fed the
>> T-series [T-1, T-2 etc] of digital transmission systems for the
>> telephone network.
>> On the other hand, much of this thread seems to be about speech
>> fidelity [Does it sound Great?] as opposed to intelligibility [Can I
>> copy it?]
>>
>> Eric
>> VA7DZ
>>
>> --
>>
>> "Democracy depends on well-informed voters; absent that, it is all mud
>> flowing down hill."
>> --Charles Harpole
>
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Tony Estep

Re: more Bass in K3 with PR-40

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On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 8:39 AM, nr4c <[hidden email]> wrote:

> ....hams wanting to sound like the announcer on the big time radio
> station...We'd need a different
> license to sound that way.
>
===============
As Riley Hollingsworth (at that time the FCC ham-enforcement official) said
at a Dayton presentation: "If you want to be a broadcaster, apply for a
broadcast license."

Tony KT0NY

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Mark / Tatiana Gilstrap

Re: more Bass in K3 with PR-40

Someone should tell the guys on 3.885 using "hollow state" technology such as "kingpin AM dude" KC8ZUL

See the following starting at 8:06 minutes in http://youtu.be/eEuNUE9hnM0 Be sure to catch the glow at 20:25

---- Tony Estep <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 8:39 AM, nr4c <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > ....hams wanting to sound like the announcer on the big time radio
> > station...We'd need a different
> > license to sound that way.
> >
> ===============
> As Riley Hollingsworth (at that time the FCC ham-enforcement official) said
> at a Dayton presentation: "If you want to be a broadcaster, apply for a
> broadcast license."
>
> Tony KT0NY
>
>
>
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On Jun 20, 2012, at 7:48 PM, <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Someone should tell the guys on 3.885 using "hollow state" technology such as "kingpin AM dude" KC8ZUL
>
> See the following starting at 8:06 minutes in http://youtu.be/eEuNUE9hnM0 Be sure to catch the glow at 20:25
>
> ---- Tony Estep <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 8:39 AM, nr4c <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> ....hams wanting to sound like the announcer on the big time radio
>>> station...We'd need a different
>>> license to sound that way.
>>>
>> ===============
>> As Riley Hollingsworth (at that time the FCC ham-enforcement official) said
>> at a Dayton presentation: "If you want to be a broadcaster, apply for a
>> broadcast license."
>>
>> Tony KT0NY
>>
>>
>>
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