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All this discussion on macros is very good, but what I'd really like
is some more programable function keys. I don't want to use Mx keys, because I want them for recorded messages. That leaves just PFx keys. I did post over a year ago on the possibility of allowing us to have to banks of function keys, using PFx + [0-9] as the way of accessing them. That is, (via a CONFIG option of course) to be able to use PF1 as an introducer, followed by one press of the 0 - 9 keys, therefore with both PF1 & PF2, that gives us 20 function keys. And it works rather like a quick memory (M->V + [0-9]) so I hope wouldn't be too onerous. This however does mean you would have to HOLD PF1 or PF2, which might be a little annoying. The alternative for people who want to keep PF1 & PF2 and would work around the HOLD of PFx, is to allow us to specify that one of the Mx buttons is the introducer to a function bank, thereby, we would loose one Mx message and gain 10 function keys, still keeping the PFx keys and getting a TAP introducer. It would also allow those that wish it, to be able to have 40 function keys by designating all four Mx buttons as function introducers. And I guess (if there is enough memory, both machine and human) they could designate both TAP and HOLD Mx to give them 80 function keys, but I'd have trouble remembering 10 personally! Of course, I'm hoping the P3 will provide some more function keys. And I saw a suggestion here that perhaps a row of keys could be designed to fit under the K3, I guess using the RJ11 (or is it an RJ12) service connector as the way into the firmware. 73 de M0XDF, K3 #174 -- Two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. But I'm not so sure about the universe. -- Albert Einstein. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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This is already on the list. The CONFIG:MACRO X menu entry will have X
values of 1-8 and '#'. If you assign MACRO X to a switch, it will prompt for 1-8 when you use it, giving you access to up to eight macros with one switch. 73, Wayne N6KR ---- http://www.elecraft.com On Nov 3, 2009, at 2:33 AM, "David Ferrington, M0XDF" <[hidden email] > wrote: > All this discussion on macros is very good, but what I'd really like > is some more programable function keys. > I don't want to use Mx keys, because I want them for recorded > messages. That leaves just PFx keys. > > I did post over a year ago on the possibility of allowing us to have > to banks of function keys, using PFx + [0-9] as the way of accessing > them. > > That is, (via a CONFIG option of course) to be able to use PF1 as an > introducer, followed by one press of the 0 - 9 keys, therefore with > both PF1 & PF2, that gives us 20 function keys. And it works rather > like a quick memory (M->V + [0-9]) so I hope wouldn't be too onerous. > This however does mean you would have to HOLD PF1 or PF2, which might > be a little annoying. > > The alternative for people who want to keep PF1 & PF2 and would work > around the HOLD of PFx, is to allow us to specify that one of the Mx > buttons is the introducer to a function bank, thereby, we would loose > one Mx message and gain 10 function keys, still keeping the PFx keys > and getting a TAP introducer. It would also allow those that wish it, > to be able to have 40 function keys by designating all four Mx buttons > as function introducers. And I guess (if there is enough memory, both > machine and human) they could designate both TAP and HOLD Mx to give > them 80 function keys, but I'd have trouble remembering 10 personally! > > Of course, I'm hoping the P3 will provide some more function keys. > And I saw a suggestion here that perhaps a row of keys could be > designed to fit under the K3, I guess using the RJ11 (or is it an > RJ12) service connector as the way into the firmware. > > 73 de M0XDF, K3 #174 > -- > Two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. > But I'm not so sure about the universe. -- Albert Einstein. > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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that sounds like a good solution Wayne - thanks.
-- A successful man is one who makes more money than a wife can spend. A successful woman is one who can find such a man. -Lana Turner, actress (1921-1995) On 3 Nov 2009, at 15:25, Wayne Burdick wrote: > This is already on the list. The CONFIG:MACRO X menu entry will have > X values of 1-8 and '#'. If you assign MACRO X to a switch, it will > prompt for 1-8 when you use it, giving you access to up to eight > macros with one switch. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > ---- > http://www.elecraft.com > > On Nov 3, 2009, at 2:33 AM, "David Ferrington, M0XDF" <[hidden email] > > wrote: > >> All this discussion on macros is very good, but what I'd really like >> is some more programable function keys. >> I don't want to use Mx keys, because I want them for recorded >> messages. That leaves just PFx keys. >> >> I did post over a year ago on the possibility of allowing us to have >> to banks of function keys, using PFx + [0-9] as the way of accessing >> them. >> >> That is, (via a CONFIG option of course) to be able to use PF1 as an >> introducer, followed by one press of the 0 - 9 keys, therefore with >> both PF1 & PF2, that gives us 20 function keys. And it works rather >> like a quick memory (M->V + [0-9]) so I hope wouldn't be too onerous. >> This however does mean you would have to HOLD PF1 or PF2, which might >> be a little annoying. >> >> The alternative for people who want to keep PF1 & PF2 and would work >> around the HOLD of PFx, is to allow us to specify that one of the Mx >> buttons is the introducer to a function bank, thereby, we would loose >> one Mx message and gain 10 function keys, still keeping the PFx keys >> and getting a TAP introducer. It would also allow those that wish it, >> to be able to have 40 function keys by designating all four Mx >> buttons >> as function introducers. And I guess (if there is enough memory, both >> machine and human) they could designate both TAP and HOLD Mx to give >> them 80 function keys, but I'd have trouble remembering 10 >> personally! >> >> Of course, I'm hoping the P3 will provide some more function keys. >> And I saw a suggestion here that perhaps a row of keys could be >> designed to fit under the K3, I guess using the RJ11 (or is it an >> RJ12) service connector as the way into the firmware. >> >> 73 de M0XDF, K3 #174 >> -- >> Two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. >> But I'm not so sure about the universe. -- Albert Einstein. >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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This is like being in a candy factory and it is all free. 73, Jim
---- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Burdick" <[hidden email]> > This is already on the list. The CONFIG:MACRO X menu entry will have X > values of 1-8 and '#'. If you assign MACRO X to a switch, it will > prompt for 1-8 when you use it, giving you access to up to eight > macros with one switch. > 73, > Wayne > N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Great, but will there be an alphanumeric display of what we programed each one to do?
I can see the time when every key has a function or two or three other than what it's supposed to do and one key will have to have a "reserved" function, called, "Tap three times to return all keys to their factory defaults." --- On Tue, 11/3/09, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] more function keys please To: "David Ferrington, M0XDF" <[hidden email]> Cc: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 8:25 AM This is already on the list. The CONFIG:MACRO X menu entry will have X values of 1-8 and '#'. If you assign MACRO X to a switch, it will prompt for 1-8 when you use it, giving you access to up to eight macros with one switch. 73, Wayne N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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On Nov 3, 2009, at 7:59 AM, Jim Miller KG0KP wrote:
> This is like being in a candy factory and it is all free. 73, Jim > > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "Wayne Burdick" <[hidden email]> >> This is already on the list. The CONFIG:MACRO X menu entry will >> have X >> values of 1-8 and '#'. If you assign MACRO X to a switch, it will >> prompt for 1-8 when you use it, giving you access to up to eight >> macros with one switch. I am new to the Elecraft world, I still haven't finished inventory on my first kit (K1 #2799), but reading this thread and those about how the K3 is used by serious contesters brought a question to mind. Wouldn't support for an external, programmable, control surface for the K3 be more appropriate than adding buttons to the front panel? Perhaps something from the CAD or gaming world. The surface would not even necessarily be connected directly to the radio itself, but to the computer controlling it, sending appropriate commands via the computer control port. To my inexperienced mind, that seems a more flexible setup. Keeping the radio simple, but providing the desired flexibility. Byron KI6NUL ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Kinda like "There's no place like home, There's no place like home,
Theres ...." We'll nickname it the Dorothy key! -- A successful man is one who makes more money than a wife can spend. A successful woman is one who can find such a man. -Lana Turner, actress (1921-1995) On 3 Nov 2009, at 16:22, Wes Stewart wrote: > Tap three times to return all keys to their factory defaults. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Hmmm which computer?
There are lots of programs out there now to control a K3 and on Wintel/ Mac/Linux etc. 73 de M0XDF -- I know that you believe that you understood what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant. - Robert McCloskey, State Department spokesman (attributed) On 3 Nov 2009, at 16:27, Byron Servies wrote: > sending appropriate commands via the computer > control port. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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On Nov 3, 2009, at 10:27 AM, Byron Servies wrote: > > Perhaps something from the CAD or gaming world. The surface would not > even necessarily be connected directly to the radio itself, but to the > computer controlling it, sending appropriate commands via the computer > control port. Don't you already have a control surface on a computer --e.g., keyboard? I think the ideas for all the additional Macro memories are great, but ultimately remembering what Macro is where becomes the limiting factor (at least for those terribly disadvantaged of us without eidetic memory) in how many distinct Macro locations and functions are actually useful without a reference manual (or useful at all beyond being a curiosity). And by the time you look to see what button press (es) is or are required to execute the function "grill medium rare on the hot side of the fire 6 inches above the coals", you might as well just run the radio by hand :-) There's a tendency to want to turn a perfectly good idea into a monster -- just because it's there :-) Grant/NQ5T ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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G'day,
Quite. I believe my K3 will remain a macro free zone. Can't see the point. Regards, Mike VP8NO <snip> > I think the ideas for all the additional Macro memories are great, > but > ultimately remembering what Macro is where becomes the limiting > factor > (at least for those terribly disadvantaged of us without eidetic > memory) in how many distinct Macro locations and functions are > actually useful without a reference manual (or useful at all > beyond > being a curiosity). And by the time you look to see what button > press > (es) is or are required to execute the function "grill medium rare > on > the hot side of the fire 6 inches above the coals", you might as > well > just run the radio by hand :-) > > There's a tendency to want to turn a perfectly good idea into a > monster -- just because it's there :-) > > Grant/NQ5T ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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This will be a mind blower! Knowing which key each of the N * 8
functions is under what key will require more brain RAM here. Does open the opportunity for toggles though. I recall the first keyboard which had some unlabeled keys. What they did was always a question. 73 de Brian/K3KO Wayne Burdick wrote: > This is already on the list. The CONFIG:MACRO X menu entry will have X > values of 1-8 and '#'. If you assign MACRO X to a switch, it will > prompt for 1-8 when you use it, giving you access to up to eight > macros with one switch. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.47/2478 - Release Date: 11/03/09 07:36:00 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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<> This will be a mind blower! Knowing which key each of the N * 8
<> functions is under what key will require more brain RAM here. There were rumors that there would be some PF keys on the upcoming panadapter, perhaps supported with programmable legends on the screen. We can hope. No guarantees, of course. 73 ... Craig AC0DS ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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The main application I had in mind for this was various splits. The
macros would all be the same, but VFO B might be moved up 1 kHz by doing PF1+1, up 2 with PF1+2, etc. Wayne On Nov 3, 2009, at 9:17 AM, Brian Alsop wrote: > This will be a mind blower! Knowing which key each of the N * 8 > functions is under what key will require more brain RAM here. > > Wayne Burdick wrote: >> This is already on the list. The CONFIG:MACRO X menu entry will >> have X values of 1-8 and '#'. If you assign MACRO X to a switch, >> it will prompt for 1-8 when you use it, giving you access to up to >> eight macros with one switch. >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Grant,
You are so correct. Let me ask a rhetorical question here - How many people remember what the 12 function keys on the computer keyboard are for in each and every application they run? I certainly don't. It is easier for me to just do the steps manually than to remember what macros I put into the K3. 4 is about the limit that are managable IMHO, and maybe that can be expanded to 8 for some things - this is a case of 'less is more' for me. I just don' like "magic buttons", I'd rather control it myself manually. 73, Don W3FPR Grant Youngman wrote: > On Nov 3, 2009, at 10:27 AM, Byron Servies wrote: > > >> Perhaps something from the CAD or gaming world. The surface would not >> even necessarily be connected directly to the radio itself, but to the >> computer controlling it, sending appropriate commands via the computer >> control port. >> > > Don't you already have a control surface on a computer --e.g., keyboard? > > I think the ideas for all the additional Macro memories are great, but > ultimately remembering what Macro is where becomes the limiting factor > (at least for those terribly disadvantaged of us without eidetic > memory) in how many distinct Macro locations and functions are > actually useful without a reference manual (or useful at all beyond > being a curiosity). And by the time you look to see what button press > (es) is or are required to execute the function "grill medium rare on > the hot side of the fire 6 inches above the coals", you might as well > just run the radio by hand :-) > > There's a tendency to want to turn a perfectly good idea into a > monster -- just because it's there :-) > > Grant/NQ5T > > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I have labeled keys on my keyboard for shortcuts, but then I'd have to look
at it. I don't use them either. Oh and I have 5 unlabeled ones that I programmed and darned if I can remember. 73, Bill K9YEQ K2 #35; KX1 #35; K3 #1744; mini mods ATS-3B -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Grant, You are so correct. Let me ask a rhetorical question here - How many people remember what the 12 function keys on the computer keyboard are for in each and every application they run? I certainly don't. It is easier for me to just do the steps manually than to remember what macros I put into the K3. 4 is about the limit that are managable IMHO, and maybe that can be expanded to 8 for some things - this is a case of 'less is more' for me. I just don' like "magic buttons", I'd rather control it myself manually. 73, Don W3FPR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Wayne Burdick wrote:
>The main application I had in mind for this was various splits. The >macros would all be the same, but VFO B might be moved up 1 kHz by >doing PF1+1, up 2 with PF1+2, etc. > Macros requiring multiple key-presses will be fine for some functions, but please let's remember that others need to be quick! In the case of "quick split", it's in the name. For the past week I have been trying out an all-purpose quick split macro which covers all the relevant modes - SSB, CW and data - with just one macro key. At present I have it assigned to M1-tap (close to the existing SPLIT control) and it does almost everything I need. QIK-SPL LN0;RT0;XT0;SWT13;SWT13;SWH58;SWT11;SWT11;FT1;UPB6;SB1; The initial split value is a simple compromise: UPB6 is +3kHz on all modes. Any split can only be an initial value, a place to start tuning away from, but always the most important thing is to shift the TX VFO off the DX frequency! On SSB you then tune upward into the pileup, while on CW or data you would generally start tuning downwards. People who favor SSB more than the other two modes might wish to program +5kHz as an initial split. This isn't perfect but - at least, for me - it works far better than having to remember different keys for different modes. The same principle applies to the setup of the sub-RX passband. It isn't necessary to use a series of macros to select different bandwidths - this one macro selects your favorite passband settings for whichever mode you happen to be using. Those favorite settings are the ones you already have stored as NORMAL for each mode, so they should also be good general-purpose settings for tuning a pileup [1]. The settings of the main RX are not affected. Quick split is a highly personal function, and the beauty of the K3's macros is that now it really *can* be personalized. But it does need to be quick! [1] Recalling the NORMAL settings is done by the SWH58 command, which presently seems to have a minor glitch: the command immediately following is skipped and not executed. To get around this, the macro has two SWT11 commands where only one should actually be needed. When this issue is resolved, one of the SWT11 commands should be deleted. -- 73 from Ian GM3SEK http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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