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Edward R Cole
I have purchased two LP-Pan units from among the several offers I received.

I may sell my SDR-IQ after I compare performance with the
LP-Pan.  But not listing it yet.
The LP-Pan may make the SDR-IQ redundant for my station.  I do use it
to monitor 500-KHz but the K3 is exclusively used as exciter for
transmitting on 500-KHz.

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For my dual-polarity eme diversity receiver I need two LP-Pan
units.  Does anyone have one or two to sell?



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K3 RTTY - PSK D

Arie Kleingeld PA3A-2
Hi all,

I can control the K3 over the rs232 cable. No problem.

CW en PTT also works over the same cable with the PTT-KEY settings on.
VERY NICE!!!  Keeping the winkey as a backup now.


Now the question: Is it possible to run RTTY  in FSK D over the rs232
cable directly into the K3 just like the CW keying?

73
Arie PA3A


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Re: K3 RTTY - PSK D

Cady, Fred
Yep. Set up FSK D, turn TEXT DEC on and go to the Terminal program in
the K3 Utility.

Lots of RTTY on today.
KE7X


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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Arie
> Kleingeld PA3A
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 7:39 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY - PSK D
>
> Hi all,
>
> I can control the K3 over the rs232 cable. No problem.
>
> CW en PTT also works over the same cable with the PTT-KEY
> settings on.
> VERY NICE!!!  Keeping the winkey as a backup now.
>
>
> Now the question: Is it possible to run RTTY  in FSK D over the rs232
> cable directly into the K3 just like the CW keying?
>
> 73
> Arie PA3A
>
>
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Re: K3 RTTY - PSK D

Richard Ferch
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Arie,

I assume you are asking whether it is possible to use the RS232 port to
send FSK RTTY in FSK D. If so, the answer is yes. Below are three
theoretically possible methods - only the third one works, and only from
a limited selection of software, but it is possible.

The K3 does not accept direct ITA2 (Baudot RTTY) FSK keying on DTR or
RTS, and even if it did, there is no software that I know of that would
be capable of sending FSK using the same serial port as is used for
radio control.

The K3 can accept Morse code input and convert the Morse code to ITA2
RTTY in FSK D, but only from its internal keyer (either from paddles or
from one of the memory keys on the front panel). The CW-to-DATA
converter does not accept CW from an external straight key input, from
an external keyer such as a Winkeyer, or from DTR or RTS on the RS232 port.

However, there is a software command that you can use to send ASCII text
to the K3 to be transmitted in FSK D. It's the KY command (see the
Programmer's Reference). I believe that the K3 Utility and G4ILO's KCOMM
software can use this command, but most other RTTY software (such as
MMTTY) cannot.

So, by using KCOMM or the K3 Utility you can send FSK RTTY from the K3
without an FSK keying circuit connected to the AUX connector.

73,
Rich VE3KI

PA3A wrote:

> I can control the K3 over the rs232 cable. No problem.
>
> CW en PTT also works over the same cable with the PTT-KEY settings on.
> VERY NICE!!!  Keeping the winkey as a backup now.
>
>
> Now the question: Is it possible to run RTTY  in FSK D over the rs232
> cable directly into the K3 just like the CW keying?
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Re: K3 RTTY - PSK D

Arie Kleingeld PA3A-2
Thanks Rich, clear answer.

Well...

The idea was to use LP bridge.
Send the RTTY keying via a com-port from MMTTY, and control the rest of
the K3 via another com with N1MM logger. Since there's only one cable to
the K3, all signals should run  over the same cable, just like the
combination of rig control and cw keying over DTR.

I donot know whether it would work, but if it would, then K3 is up for a
new menu item: RTTY via DTR   :-)

73, Arie PA3A



Op 22-1-2011 23:38, Richard Ferch schreef:

> Arie,
>
> I assume you are asking whether it is possible to use the RS232 port to
> send FSK RTTY in FSK D. If so, the answer is yes. Below are three
> theoretically possible methods - only the third one works, and only from
> a limited selection of software, but it is possible.
>
> The K3 does not accept direct ITA2 (Baudot RTTY) FSK keying on DTR or
> RTS, and even if it did, there is no software that I know of that would
> be capable of sending FSK using the same serial port as is used for
> radio control.
>
> The K3 can accept Morse code input and convert the Morse code to ITA2
> RTTY in FSK D, but only from its internal keyer (either from paddles or
> from one of the memory keys on the front panel). The CW-to-DATA
> converter does not accept CW from an external straight key input, from
> an external keyer such as a Winkeyer, or from DTR or RTS on the RS232 port.
>
> However, there is a software command that you can use to send ASCII text
> to the K3 to be transmitted in FSK D. It's the KY command (see the
> Programmer's Reference). I believe that the K3 Utility and G4ILO's KCOMM
> software can use this command, but most other RTTY software (such as
> MMTTY) cannot.
>
> So, by using KCOMM or the K3 Utility you can send FSK RTTY from the K3
> without an FSK keying circuit connected to the AUX connector.
>
> 73,
> Rich VE3KI
>
> PA3A wrote:
>
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Re: K3 RTTY - PSK D

Don Wilhelm-4
  Arie,

You will have to ask Larry Phipps if that MMTTY stream is implemented in
LP-Bridge.

RTTY via DTR is possible, but would require the "one transistor keying
circuit" to drive the PTT-IN pin on the K3s ACC connector.  Of course,
LP-Bridge may or may not support DTR through its interface.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/22/2011 5:52 PM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote:

> Thanks Rich, clear answer.
>
> Well...
>
> The idea was to use LP bridge.
> Send the RTTY keying via a com-port from MMTTY, and control the rest of
> the K3 via another com with N1MM logger. Since there's only one cable to
> the K3, all signals should run  over the same cable, just like the
> combination of rig control and cw keying over DTR.
>
> I donot know whether it would work, but if it would, then K3 is up for a
> new menu item: RTTY via DTR   :-)
>
> 73, Arie PA3A
>
>
>
> Op 22-1-2011 23:38, Richard Ferch schreef:
>> Arie,
>>
>> I assume you are asking whether it is possible to use the RS232 port to
>> send FSK RTTY in FSK D. If so, the answer is yes. Below are three
>> theoretically possible methods - only the third one works, and only from
>> a limited selection of software, but it is possible.
>>
>> The K3 does not accept direct ITA2 (Baudot RTTY) FSK keying on DTR or
>> RTS, and even if it did, there is no software that I know of that would
>> be capable of sending FSK using the same serial port as is used for
>> radio control.
>>
>> The K3 can accept Morse code input and convert the Morse code to ITA2
>> RTTY in FSK D, but only from its internal keyer (either from paddles or
>> from one of the memory keys on the front panel). The CW-to-DATA
>> converter does not accept CW from an external straight key input, from
>> an external keyer such as a Winkeyer, or from DTR or RTS on the RS232 port.
>>
>> However, there is a software command that you can use to send ASCII text
>> to the K3 to be transmitted in FSK D. It's the KY command (see the
>> Programmer's Reference). I believe that the K3 Utility and G4ILO's KCOMM
>> software can use this command, but most other RTTY software (such as
>> MMTTY) cannot.
>>
>> So, by using KCOMM or the K3 Utility you can send FSK RTTY from the K3
>> without an FSK keying circuit connected to the AUX connector.
>>
>> 73,
>> Rich VE3KI
>>
>> PA3A wrote:
>>
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Re: K3 RTTY - PSK D

Richard Ferch
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The MMTTY/EXTFSK combination can use DTR on a serial port for FSK
keying, but I have no idea whether EXTFSK would work through LP-Bridge.
Without EXTFSK, MMTTY uses TxD for FSK keying, not DTR, and that cannot
be shared with radio control.

If you are already using MMTTY, by any chance does that mean that you
have an audio cable from the K3's LINE OUT to your computer's sound
card? If so, a second audio cable from the sound card's output to the
K3's LINE IN is all you need to do AFSK RTTY. The K3's AFSK RTTY is just
as good as its FSK RTTY, so there is no reason to insist on FSK.

73,
Rich VE3KI

PA3A wrote:

> The idea was to use LP bridge.
> Send the RTTY keying via a com-port from MMTTY, and control the rest of
> the K3 via another com with N1MM logger. Since there's only one cable to
> the K3, all signals should run  over the same cable, just like the
> combination of rig control and cw keying over DTR.
>
> I donot know whether it would work, but if it would, then K3 is up for a
> new menu item: RTTY via DTR   :-)
>
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Re: K3 RTTY - PSK D

Arie Kleingeld PA3A-2
Rich,

Yes, I have RTTY working in AFSK mode.
I am trying to make it as LEAN as possible.

If MMTTY can bring the FSK as a digital signal which can be fed into the
K3 as digital signal (0/1) that would be nice and Lean. Just as N1MM and
CW over one cable for the K3.

Of course I can use two cables, one for N1MM rig control and one for
MMTTY and feed that to the ACC connector using an optocoupler or so.
Again, not as lean as the nice CW solution.

73
Arie PA3A



Op 23-1-2011 0:37, Richard Ferch schreef:

> The MMTTY/EXTFSK combination can use DTR on a serial port for FSK
> keying, but I have no idea whether EXTFSK would work through LP-Bridge.
> Without EXTFSK, MMTTY uses TxD for FSK keying, not DTR, and that cannot
> be shared with radio control.
>
> If you are already using MMTTY, by any chance does that mean that you
> have an audio cable from the K3's LINE OUT to your computer's sound
> card? If so, a second audio cable from the sound card's output to the
> K3's LINE IN is all you need to do AFSK RTTY. The K3's AFSK RTTY is just
> as good as its FSK RTTY, so there is no reason to insist on FSK.
>
> 73,
> Rich VE3KI
>
> PA3A wrote:
>
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