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Richard W Hemingway

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Hello everyone,

I am a newbe and am selling my Kenwood TS 590s to buy a K3. I am wondering how many of us have had a 590 and come to a K3 and why? Thanks

DIck N5XRD
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Bill-3

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The 590 is a good solid radio, however the K3 offers more user dexterity
and the optional P3 display. The overall amount of technical and
operational variables/selections via the K3 menus allows you to have
your own custom designed radio suited to your exact needs and desires.

Bill K-Line
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vk2rq

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K3 also offers dual receiver & diversity reception, more filter options -- I would say generally the K3 is more configurable (which of course comes at a price) :-)

73, Matt VK2RQ

> On 2 May 2014, at 11:41 am, Bill W2BLC <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> The 590 is a good solid radio, however the K3 offers more user dexterity and the optional P3 display. The overall amount of technical and operational variables/selections via the K3 menus allows you to have your own custom designed radio suited to your exact needs and desires.
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w0mu

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For the $$$ the 590 is a pretty good radio.

The K3 gives you much more flexibility today or down the road.

Mike W0MU

On 5/1/2014 7:53 PM, Matt VK2RQ wrote:

> K3 also offers dual receiver & diversity reception, more filter options -- I would say generally the K3 is more configurable (which of course comes at a price) :-)
>
> 73, Matt VK2RQ
>
>> On 2 May 2014, at 11:41 am, Bill W2BLC <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> The 590 is a good solid radio, however the K3 offers more user dexterity and the optional P3 display. The overall amount of technical and operational variables/selections via the K3 menus allows you to have your own custom designed radio suited to your exact needs and desires.
>>
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Phil Wheeler-2

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Added to the earlier replies: Elecraft is the best
company around for support. If there's a problem
it gets fixed. Moreover, they continually upgrade
their products with new firmeare updates -- which
are free to download and install from your computer.

My first Elecraft product, the K2, arrived in mid
1999 -- 15 years ago. After that and every other
transceiver they've designed and produced I have
only good things to say. I'm loving my K3.

73, Phil w7ox

On 5/1/14, 6:32 PM, Richard W Hemingway wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I am a newbe and am selling my Kenwood TS 590s to buy a K3. I am wondering how many of us have had a 590 and come to a K3 and why? Thanks
>
> DIck N5XRD
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His question is ...

Why have some operators sold their TS-590s to buy a K3?

Only one who has sold a TS-590 to purchase a K3 is competent to answer
and state his reason for doing that.

I am almost similarly situated as the original inquisitor... I recently
sold my 590 and now seriously consider buying a K3, but I am still on
the fence, planning to test drive the K3 as soon as possible.

Why did I sell my 590 to consider buying the K3? The 590 is a solid
performer, and I enjoyed using it, and while my rig had no issues, I
sold it because I did not enjoy the overall 590-ownership-experience,
and although it is too complicated to explain fully here, I will say I
was sick of too many other owners whining and expecting perfection from
a $1500 radio, basing many complaints on unfounded or fanciful claims,
paranoid delusions, and unreasonable expectations. I just got sick of
it, and of being asked by other hams about this and that so called
"issue" or "problem" I was not experiencing, so it was no fun to own.

So, I bought a Orion II and now considering buying a K3, both of which
radios seem free from that sort of nonsense.

That's my reason, anyway.

--------------- K8JHR ----------------------

On 5/1/2014 9:32 PM, Richard W Hemingway wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I am a newbe and am selling my Kenwood TS 590s to buy a K3. I am wondering how many of us have had a 590 and come to a K3 and why? Thanks
>
> DIck N5XRD
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w0mu

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The 590 has some short falls. No 2nd receiver, some issues on 10m.
Only one roofing filter.

I owned a couple of FT-2000's and they were easy to use. Looked pretty
cool but had some serious performance issues in the receiver. Sold them
and got a K3 and then another one.

Most reflectors and groups deal with issues and problems. I try not to
get too involved with the negatives about what I own.

Mike W0MU

On 5/2/2014 12:24 AM, K8JHR wrote:

> His question is ...
>
> Why have some operators sold their TS-590s to buy a K3?
>
> Only one who has sold a TS-590 to purchase a K3 is competent to answer
> and state his reason for doing that.
>
> I am almost similarly situated as the original inquisitor... I
> recently sold my 590 and now seriously consider buying a K3, but I am
> still on the fence, planning to test drive the K3 as soon as possible.
>
> Why did I sell my 590 to consider buying the K3? The 590 is a solid
> performer, and I enjoyed using it, and while my rig had no issues, I
> sold it because I did not enjoy the overall 590-ownership-experience,
> and although it is too complicated to explain fully here, I will say I
> was sick of too many other owners whining and expecting perfection
> from a $1500 radio, basing many complaints on unfounded or fanciful
> claims, paranoid delusions, and unreasonable expectations. I just got
> sick of it, and of being asked by other hams about this and that so
> called "issue" or "problem" I was not experiencing, so it was no fun
> to own.
>
> So, I bought a Orion II and now considering buying a K3, both of which
> radios seem free from that sort of nonsense.
>
> That's my reason, anyway.
>
> --------------- K8JHR ----------------------
>
> On 5/1/2014 9:32 PM, Richard W Hemingway wrote:
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I am a newbe and am selling my Kenwood TS 590s to buy a K3. I am
>> wondering how many of us have had a 590 and come to a K3 and why?
>> Thanks
>>
>> DIck N5XRD
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Who needs two receivers when you can buy two complete radios (TS590s) for the price of the Elecraft

George, W6GF....Owing 2)K3s .....1)KX3....AND 1)TS590S

On Thursday, May 1, 2014 11:55 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett <[hidden email]> wrote:

The 590 has some short falls. No 2nd receiver, some issues on 10m.
Only one roofing filter.

I owned a couple of FT-2000's and they were easy to use. Looked pretty
cool but had some serious performance issues in the receiver. Sold them
and got a K3 and then another one.

Most reflectors and groups deal with issues and problems. I try not to
get too involved with the negatives about what I own.

Mike W0MU

On 5/2/2014 12:24 AM, K8JHR wrote:

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On 5/2/2014 10:38 AM, george fritkin via Elecraft wrote:
> Who needs two receivers when you can buy two complete radios (TS590s) for the price of the Elecraft

The RX muting on transmit for the second receiver is already handled for
you when you buy a K3, you'd have to get creative to implement that with
two TS590s ;)

73, Ross N4RP

>
> George, W6GF....Owing 2)K3s .....1)KX3....AND 1)TS590S
>
>
> On Thursday, May 1, 2014 11:55 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> The 590 has some short falls. No 2nd receiver, some issues on 10m.
> Only one roofing filter.
>
> I owned a couple of FT-2000's and they were easy to use. Looked pretty
> cool but had some serious performance issues in the receiver. Sold them
> and got a K3 and then another one.
>
> Most reflectors and groups deal with issues and problems. I try not to
> get too involved with the negatives about what I own.
>
> Mike W0MU
>
> On 5/2/2014 12:24 AM, K8JHR wrote:
>> His question is ...
>>
>> Why have some operators sold their TS-590s to buy a K3?
>>
>> Only one who has sold a TS-590 to purchase a K3 is competent to answer
>> and state his reason for doing that.
>>
>> I am almost similarly situated as the original inquisitor... I
>> recently sold my 590 and now seriously consider buying a K3, but I am
>> still on the fence, planning to test drive the K3 as soon as possible.
>>
>> Why did I sell my 590 to consider buying the K3? The 590 is a solid
>> performer, and I enjoyed using it, and while my rig had no issues, I
>> sold it because I did not enjoy the overall 590-ownership-experience,
>> and although it is too complicated to explain fully here, I will say I
>> was sick of too many other owners whining and expecting perfection
>> from a $1500 radio, basing many complaints on unfounded or fanciful
>> claims, paranoid delusions, and unreasonable expectations. I just got
>> sick of it, and of being asked by other hams about this and that so
>> called "issue" or "problem" I was not experiencing, so it was no fun
>> to own.
>>
>> So, I bought a Orion II and now considering buying a K3, both of which
>> radios seem free from that sort of nonsense.
>>
>> That's my reason, anyway.
>>
>> --------------- K8JHR ----------------------
>>
>> On 5/1/2014 9:32 PM, Richard W Hemingway wrote:
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> I am a newbe and am selling my Kenwood TS 590s to buy a K3. I am
>>> wondering how many of us have had a 590 and come to a K3 and why?
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> DIck N5XRD
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On 5/2/2014 10:38 AM, george fritkin via Elecraft wrote:
> Who needs two receivers when you can buy two complete radios (TS590s)
for the price of the Elecraft
>
---------------------------------------------

Cause the K3 does not have a transmit spike.

Cause the K3 'may" have better ALC operation (there are "questions"
surrounding the 590 ALC operation... one reason I sold my 590

Cause the k3 (I think) can handle diversity audio, and you would need a
separate device like what MFJ sells to mix and blend the two audio
channels or keep them separate and that entails buying another accessory
for more money

Cause you cannot transmit into the other receiver by accident when you
have a K3 with two receivers - two 590s could be tricky as you could
accidentally transmit into the second rig and fry its delicate front end
- SO2R guys have this problem

Cause you might need two antennas or have an awkward time splitting one
antenna for the two radios and then there is the time sequencing problem
of coordinating the PTT on each one to avoid confusion or

Cause, as good as the 590 receiver specifications are, it is not as good
a k3 right out of the chute - the k3 is a down conversion rig on all
bands, all the time, whereas the 590 does down conversion only on some
bands under some conditions

Cause the K3 occupies one space and needs only one power supply - you
would have to buy a second supply for your second 590

Cause you would need N4PY software or equivalent to coordinate two rigs
at additional cost - not that it is not worth it... but still it is
something else to guy and configure and coordinate - linking the two
rigs would be awkward I think

Cause it takes up twice the room on the desk top to have two radios do
what one can do by itself, and shack space often comes at a premium

Cause it would be more difficult to take on the road, or to Field Day,
or to the contest shack with the other guys, etc.

I think that is a good start why I would buy a second receiver for the
K3 and not get two TS-590s just to have a second receiver.

Just MY take.

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