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Ken N9VV-2

re: printing new manual

When Eric and Wayne release the wonderful new manual, will
you fellas please check with your local Kinko or
Office{Depot,Max} to see what it will cost to print it. I
have had quotes at $0.87/page in color and $0.50 in b/w.
That seems outrageous to me for a pdf document that you
bring to them on a memory stick.
-----------
I see that TAPR is offering the 168 page DCC Conference
document from http://www.lulu.com/en/products/ a
print-on-demand printing house. The price comes out to about
$25 but that seems to be very realistic for such a large
document. Would that possibly be an alternative to local
printing?

tnx,
72/73 Ken N9VV
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Dan Romanchik KB6NU

Re: re: printing new manual

I recently had OfficeMax print 15 copies of a 100-page document from
a PDF file I supplied on a CD-ROM. They printed double-sided, in
black and white, and the total cost per copy was less than $10 each.

73!

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On Oct 10, 2007, at 2:58 PM, Ken N9VV wrote:

> When Eric and Wayne release the wonderful new manual, will you
> fellas please check with your local Kinko or Office{Depot,Max} to
> see what it will cost to print it. I have had quotes at $0.87/page
> in color and $0.50 in b/w. That seems outrageous to me for a pdf
> document that you bring to them on a memory stick.
> -----------
> I see that TAPR is offering the 168 page DCC Conference document
> from http://www.lulu.com/en/products/ a print-on-demand printing
> house. The price comes out to about $25 but that seems to be very
> realistic for such a large document. Would that possibly be an
> alternative to local printing?
>
> tnx,
> 72/73 Ken N9VV
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Tom Hammond-2

Re: re: printing new manual

In reply to this post by Ken N9VV-2

Hi Ken:

Out Kinkos will do it (B&W for a whole LOT LESS than that... probably
$0.17 page... maybe less.

The manual is 64 pages (currently) and the ONLY COLOR is the front
page, so those without
inkjets won't suffer unduly by having to print in B&W.

73,

Tom Hammond N0SS

At 13:58 10/10/2007, Ken N9VV wrote:

>When Eric and Wayne release the wonderful new manual, will you
>fellas please check with your local Kinko or Office{Depot,Max} to
>see what it will cost to print it. I have had quotes at $0.87/page
>in color and $0.50 in b/w. That seems outrageous to me for a pdf
>document that you bring to them on a memory stick.
>-----------
>I see that TAPR is offering the 168 page DCC Conference document
>from http://www.lulu.com/en/products/ a print-on-demand printing
>house. The price comes out to about $25 but that seems to be very
>realistic for such a large document. Would that possibly be an
>alternative to local printing?
>
>tnx,
>72/73 Ken N9VV
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M0XDF

Re: re: printing new manual

In reply to this post by Ken N9VV-2

Sorry, buy why print it and kill trees? Why not just read in PDF and have
all that search capability too?

On 10/10/07 19:58, "Ken N9VV" <[hidden email]> sent:

> When Eric and Wayne release the wonderful new manual, will
> you fellas please check with your local Kinko or
> Office{Depot,Max} to see what it will cost to print it. I
> have had quotes at $0.87/page in color and $0.50 in b/w.
> That seems outrageous to me for a pdf document that you
> bring to them on a memory stick.
> -----------
> I see that TAPR is offering the 168 page DCC Conference
> document from http://www.lulu.com/en/products/ a
> print-on-demand printing house. The price comes out to about
> $25 but that seems to be very realistic for such a large
> document. Would that possibly be an alternative to local
> printing?

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we're not. In either case, the idea is quite staggering.
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David Cutter

Re: Re: re: printing new manual

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Is there a possibility of printing onto small format (A5 in the Eu) double sided from the same pdf file? This saves a lot of paper and weight. This is "booklet printing" and not easy from home. Additionally, would a shortened version giving only operational requirements be much of a saving? I'm thinking of omitting assembly stuff for instance.

David
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>
> From: Dan KB6NU <[hidden email]>
> Date: 2007/10/10 Wed PM 08:20:38 BST
> To: Elecraft Mailing List <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] re: printing new manual
>
> I recently had OfficeMax print 15 copies of a 100-page document from
> a PDF file I supplied on a CD-ROM. They printed double-sided, in
> black and white, and the total cost per copy was less than $10 each.
>
> 73!
>
> Dan KB6NU
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> CW Geek and MI Affiliated Club Coordinator
> Get my Tech and General Class study guides at www.kb6nu.com/tech-manual
> LET'S GET MORE KIDS INTO HAM RADIO!
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 10, 2007, at 2:58 PM, Ken N9VV wrote:
>
> > When Eric and Wayne release the wonderful new manual, will you
> > fellas please check with your local Kinko or Office{Depot,Max} to
> > see what it will cost to print it. I have had quotes at $0.87/page
> > in color and $0.50 in b/w. That seems outrageous to me for a pdf
> > document that you bring to them on a memory stick.
> > -----------
> > I see that TAPR is offering the 168 page DCC Conference document
> > from http://www.lulu.com/en/products/ a print-on-demand printing
> > house. The price comes out to about $25 but that seems to be very
> > realistic for such a large document. Would that possibly be an
> > alternative to local printing?
> >
> > tnx,
> > 72/73 Ken N9VV
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M0XDF

Re: re: printing new manual

The assembly manual is not part of the operating manual, its a separate
manual. If you mean omitting the Theory Of Operation, then just don't print
all the pages?

On 11/10/07 10:22, "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> sent:

> Is there a possibility of printing onto small format (A5 in the Eu) double
> sided from the same pdf file? This saves a lot of paper and weight. This is
> "booklet printing" and not easy from home. Additionally, would a shortened
> version giving only operational requirements be much of a saving? I'm thinking
> of omitting assembly stuff for instance.
>
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Ken Wagner K3IU

Re: re: printing new manual

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Hi David:
Adobe Reader (Don't know about other PDF readers) has a print scaling
option to "Fit to Printable Area" which is determined by whatever size
paper you have selected. So I guess the answer to your question is
"yes," it is possible.
73, Ken K3IU

[hidden email] wrote:

> Is there a possibility of printing onto small format (A5 in the Eu) double sided from the same pdf file? This saves a lot of paper and weight. This is "booklet printing" and not easy from home. Additionally, would a shortened version giving only operational requirements be much of a saving? I'm thinking of omitting assembly stuff for instance.
>
> David
> G3UNA
>
>> From: Dan KB6NU <[hidden email]>
>> Date: 2007/10/10 Wed PM 08:20:38 BST
>> To: Elecraft Mailing List <[hidden email]>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] re: printing new manual
>>
>> I recently had OfficeMax print 15 copies of a 100-page document from
>> a PDF file I supplied on a CD-ROM. They printed double-sided, in
>> black and white, and the total cost per copy was less than $10 each.
>>
>> 73!
>>
>> Dan KB6NU
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> CW Geek and MI Affiliated Club Coordinator
>> Get my Tech and General Class study guides at www.kb6nu.com/tech-manual
>> LET'S GET MORE KIDS INTO HAM RADIO!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 10, 2007, at 2:58 PM, Ken N9VV wrote:
>>
>>
>>> When Eric and Wayne release the wonderful new manual, will you
>>> fellas please check with your local Kinko or Office{Depot,Max} to
>>> see what it will cost to print it. I have had quotes at $0.87/page
>>> in color and $0.50 in b/w. That seems outrageous to me for a pdf
>>> document that you bring to them on a memory stick.
>>> -----------
>>> I see that TAPR is offering the 168 page DCC Conference document
>>> from http://www.lulu.com/en/products/ a print-on-demand printing
>>> house. The price comes out to about $25 but that seems to be very
>>> realistic for such a large document. Would that possibly be an
>>> alternative to local printing?
>>>
>>> tnx,
>>> 72/73 Ken N9VV
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Elecraft mailing list
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Ken Wagner K3IU

Re: re: printing new manual

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David Woolley (E.L)

Re: printing new manual

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[hidden email] wrote:

> Is there a possibility of printing onto small format (A5 in the Eu)
> double sided from the same pdf file? This saves a lot of paper and
> weight.

This is fairly easy to do at home, provided you don't have more than
about 100 original pages. Its better and cheaper done with a laser
printer, but I've also done it with ink jets.

The process I use is to get the PostScript file back by using print to
file from Acrobat, or by using ghostscript's pdftops tool, then use the
pstools utilities to rearrange the pages, shrink and double them up. I
then manually feed the printer for double sided printing (even in the
office, using double sided printing capabilities is disapproved of,
because of the number of paper jams, and the capability has been removed
from many printers - two pass printing is vulnerable to wasting half a
run because of a single double feed).

Once I have the complete booklet, I fold the pages in groups, to get
sharper creases, then punch holes for the staples using the hardened
steel pins from picture hooks and manually insert staples.

For bigger books, and more permanence, I have pstools group the pages
into signatures, then punch four equal spaced holes in the fold on each
and sew them all together with cotton (one thread through the top two
holes and one through the bottom two). I then put the result into a
Workmate type workbench vice (actually a generic, not the Black and
Decker product), tighten it up, tighten and not the threads and apply a
couple of coats of children's PVA glue. Finally I put some open weave
fabric on the spine and add end papers and glue that, then glue cover
boards to the end papers. The punching and sewing is time consuming, so
this is a lot more work than a single signature booklet.

I'm sure print shops will do stapled booklets - upmarket laser printers
can do them directly, but I think the best you could hope for for
something larger would be perfect binding, i.e. cut all the sheets to A5
and embed one end in glue.

I run pstools on Linux, but they are, I believe, pretty portable C code,
so should be available for Windows, without needing to use Cygwin.
Printing PostScript from Windows almost inevitably involves direct or
indirect use of ghostscript, unless you have Acrobat Distiller.

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