rise/fall time: blind-sided
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>From the FAQ
[snip] Can the user adjust the rise and fall time on CW? If yes, what are the steps? The CW settings have been optimized at the factory and will not be adjustable. IF a need presents itself to make them adjustable it can be done in a future firmware revision. [end snip] Wow...when did this happen? The answer used to be YES. While I"m sure the rise/fall times are good (as reported by ZV and others, but questioned by EKM), I am totally surprised that something changed in the FAQ "without notification." Or did I miss it? Since I had personal (private) email exchanges about this (rise/fall for cw) and saw the adjustability as a "feature" I liked (but did suggest that the "low end" for the rise time range was too short and would be clicky), I feel rather "empty." Not so much because this "feature" was dropped, but because I don't know what else was "changed" on the FAQ. I never did save an original copy. Is there a list of "deleted features" from the early FAQs available? Thanks, de Doug KR2Q _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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IF this changed, it was VERY VERY early on. I do not remember changing
this, but if I did, it was shortly after the FAQ was first posted. CW rise and fall have not been part of the firmware for months. Elecraft optimised these settings for best CW performance. As the FAQ says. If the need presents itself, the subject will be reviewed again to put these settings back in the FW. While FAQ updates were fast and furious following the K3's announcement, updates recently have been few. I think the last update I did was to list the TX INHB pin on the ACCY connector and add the link for the Operating Tips. 73 Greg AB7R -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 1:48 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: [Elecraft] rise/fall time: blind-sided >From the FAQ [snip] Can the user adjust the rise and fall time on CW? If yes, what are the steps? The CW settings have been optimized at the factory and will not be adjustable. IF a need presents itself to make them adjustable it can be done in a future firmware revision. [end snip] Wow...when did this happen? The answer used to be YES. While I"m sure the rise/fall times are good (as reported by ZV and others, but questioned by EKM), I am totally surprised that something changed in the FAQ "without notification." Or did I miss it? Since I had personal (private) email exchanges about this (rise/fall for cw) and saw the adjustability as a "feature" I liked (but did suggest that the "low end" for the rise time range was too short and would be clicky), I feel rather "empty." Not so much because this "feature" was dropped, but because I don't know what else was "changed" on the FAQ. I never did save an original copy. Is there a list of "deleted features" from the early FAQs available? Thanks, de Doug KR2Q _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Greg wrote:
> IF this changed, it was VERY VERY early on. I do not remember changing > this, but if I did, it was shortly after the FAQ was first posted. CW rise > and fall have not been part of the firmware for months. Elecraft optimised > these settings for best CW performance. > Doug might be getting confused with the changes to the AGC attack times? This was made adjustable a short while ago after discussion on the list. Ian -- Ian J Maude, G0VGS SysOp GB7MBC DX Cluster Member RSGB, GQRP K2 #4044 |K3 #? _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: rise/fall time: blind-sided
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No, he's correct. According to the Wayback Machine, it was originally
adjustable: http://web.archive.org/web/20070621195718/http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3FAQ.htm#CW but warned that it might change. IMHO, the fixed setting of 5 ms is ok. The K3's I've heard on cw don't sound too "soft" to my ears, and are click free. Bob NW8L On Dec 30, 2007 2:12 AM, Ian J Maude <[hidden email]> wrote: > Greg wrote: > > IF this changed, it was VERY VERY early on. I do not remember changing > > this, but if I did, it was shortly after the FAQ was first posted. CW rise > > and fall have not been part of the firmware for months. Elecraft optimised > > these settings for best CW performance. > > > Doug might be getting confused with the changes to the AGC attack > times? This was made adjustable a short while ago after discussion on > the list. > > Ian > > -- > > Ian J Maude, G0VGS > SysOp GB7MBC DX Cluster > Member RSGB, GQRP > K2 #4044 |K3 #? > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Ian Maude
Very early-on in the Field test series... LONG before any 'production'
K3s were even considered, there WAS a menu configuration parameter which allowed the user to vary the CW rise/fall times, by a small amount. However, it was removed from the menu quite a while ago, in lieu of a (currently) single fixed setting. This parameter HAS been discussed within the Field Test group and there is a possibility (note this word... 'possibility') that rise/fall time may be added back at a later date, but probably not any time soon... Wayne has a number of much more important firmware items to address before this subject is re-addressed. It's not gong to do much good to beat it (or Wayne) up at this point. But wait several months, until things slow down a bit, and THEN give it a shot. It might be considered then. 73, Tom N0SS At 03:12 12/30/2007, Ian J Maude wrote: >Greg wrote: >>IF this changed, it was VERY VERY early on. I do not remember changing >>this, but if I did, it was shortly after the FAQ was first posted. CW rise >>and fall have not been part of the firmware for months. Elecraft optimised >>these settings for best CW performance. >> >Doug might be getting confused with the changes to the AGC attack >times? This was made adjustable a short while ago after discussion >on the list. > >Ian > >-- > >Ian J Maude, G0VGS >SysOp GB7MBC DX Cluster >Member RSGB, GQRP >K2 #4044 |K3 #? > >_______________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Post to: [hidden email] >You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): >http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Sun, 30 Dec 2007, Tom Hammond wrote:
> This parameter HAS been discussed within the Field Test group and there > is a possibility (note this word... 'possibility') that rise/fall time > may be added back at a later date, but probably not any time soon... > Wayne has a number of much more important firmware items to address > before this subject is re-addressed. It strikes me that if a list of such things was made available, and a list of things that were tried and deemed not to be viable was available for reference, then the repeated questions might not surface. For example, Wayne had a brief discussion on this list about a BL3...and mentioned that it was already designed. I just found out that while it is designed it may or may not be produced. Having that information available woould have saved me several emails, and the time it took to finally get an answer. I believe there are some advertised features trhat are still not available...having then on a list might thwart some questions. > > It's not gong to do much good to beat it (or Wayne) up at this point. > But wait several months, until things slow down a bit, and THEN give > it a shot. It might be considered then. Gee...if it were on a list as mentioned above, someone with a keen understanding of the process and Wayn's work load could actually update the entry with a "time to ask" note. Yea, I know, it sounds like it might be incorporated into the wiki...I'm sure the guys handling that project would be more than happy to assist in this type of thing. http://www.zerobeat.net/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page 73 Thom k3hrn Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/ Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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