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W6ODJ

sidetone range

Dear Wayne and Lyle,

In the original specs for the K3
(and even now in the Tech Specs page: <http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3_specs.htm
>)
the sidetone range was, quote, "CW Offset/Sidetone: 300-1000 Hz,
adjustable."

But the newer manuals, and the K3 itself I presume, have the range
limited to 300-800Hz. I wonder why this was changed? Was there some
hardware or software reason, or did you just decide that no one would
want a sidetone up to 1000Hz?

Now most people may not need a sidetone above 800Hz, but I do. Here
are my reasons:

(1) I have a hearing loss at low frequencies. I know this is
unusual, but it is so. It is hard for me to hear low pitches
clearly. (I know the arguments about lower tones being easier to
separate in a QRM situation, but, alas, that is of no use to me.)
(2) I will be listening to that sidetone a lot, and would like to set
it at some exact musical pitch so as to preserve what remains of my
musical pitch sense. Now 440 is a perfect A4. But it is too low for
me to hear. What I need is 880, a perfect A5. But this is above 800.

Is there any chance that the upper limit could be moved back to
1000Hz, or at least to 900Hz so that it would include 880Hz?

Thanks and 73,
Oliver Johns
W6ODJ

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Joe Subich, W4TV-3

RE: sidetone range

Why not use 700 Hz - it's less that 2 Hz from F4 (698.45 Hz) ...
or 740 Hz (F#5 - 739.99 Hz)? 780 Hz is only 3.99 Hz from G5.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of O. Johns
> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 9:34 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Cc: wayne burdick
> Subject: [Elecraft] sidetone range
>
>
> Dear Wayne and Lyle,
>
> In the original specs for the K3
> (and even now in the Tech Specs page:
> <http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3_specs.htm
> >)
> the sidetone range was, quote, "CW Offset/Sidetone: 300-1000 Hz,
> adjustable."
>
> But the newer manuals, and the K3 itself I presume, have the range
> limited to 300-800Hz. I wonder why this was changed? Was
> there some
> hardware or software reason, or did you just decide that no
> one would
> want a sidetone up to 1000Hz?
>
> Now most people may not need a sidetone above 800Hz, but I do. Here
> are my reasons:
>
> (1) I have a hearing loss at low frequencies. I know this is
> unusual, but it is so. It is hard for me to hear low pitches
> clearly. (I know the arguments about lower tones being easier to
> separate in a QRM situation, but, alas, that is of no use to me.)
> (2) I will be listening to that sidetone a lot, and would
> like to set
> it at some exact musical pitch so as to preserve what remains of my
> musical pitch sense. Now 440 is a perfect A4. But it is too
> low for
> me to hear. What I need is 880, a perfect A5. But this is above 800.
>
> Is there any chance that the upper limit could be moved back to
> 1000Hz, or at least to 900Hz so that it would include 880Hz?
>
> Thanks and 73,
> Oliver Johns
> W6ODJ
>
>
>
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W6ODJ

Re: sidetone range

Dear Joe,

I do use 740Hz as a work-around. But, for me, the higher the better.
From F#5 to A5 makes a difference. I'd go even higher than 880Hz if
there were available consonant tones between 880 and 1000. But 880 is
the highest possible with 10Hz increments, provided of course that
Wayne and Lyle can be convinced to raise the bar above 800.

73,
Oliver Johns
W6ODJ

On 30 Sep 2008, at 9:31 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

>
>
>
> Why not use 700 Hz - it's less that 2 Hz from F4 (698.45 Hz) ...
> or 740 Hz (F#5 - 739.99 Hz)? 780 Hz is only 3.99 Hz from G5.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of O. Johns
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 9:34 PM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Cc: wayne burdick
>> Subject: [Elecraft] sidetone range
>>
>>
>> Dear Wayne and Lyle,
>>
>> In the original specs for the K3
>> (and even now in the Tech Specs page:
>> <http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3_specs.htm
>>> )
>> the sidetone range was, quote, "CW Offset/Sidetone: 300-1000 Hz,
>> adjustable."
>>
>> But the newer manuals, and the K3 itself I presume, have the range
>> limited to 300-800Hz. I wonder why this was changed? Was
>> there some
>> hardware or software reason, or did you just decide that no
>> one would
>> want a sidetone up to 1000Hz?
>>
>> Now most people may not need a sidetone above 800Hz, but I do. Here
>> are my reasons:
>>
>> (1) I have a hearing loss at low frequencies. I know this is
>> unusual, but it is so. It is hard for me to hear low pitches
>> clearly. (I know the arguments about lower tones being easier to
>> separate in a QRM situation, but, alas, that is of no use to me.)
>> (2) I will be listening to that sidetone a lot, and would
>> like to set
>> it at some exact musical pitch so as to preserve what remains of my
>> musical pitch sense. Now 440 is a perfect A4. But it is too
>> low for
>> me to hear. What I need is 880, a perfect A5. But this is above
>> 800.
>>
>> Is there any chance that the upper limit could be moved back to
>> 1000Hz, or at least to 900Hz so that it would include 880Hz?
>>
>> Thanks and 73,
>> Oliver Johns
>> W6ODJ
>>
>>
>>
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>
>

Joe Subich, W4TV-3

RE: sidetone range

I don't know how high you want to go but B5 is within 3 Hz of
990 and E6 is within 2 Hz of 1320. In both cases the 2-3 Hz
is probably within the error of the reference.

At higher tones even 5 Hz (C6 = 1046.5, D6 = 1174.7) is probably
acceptable to all but the most highly trained ear since the
error is < .5%. I know that being able to use 520 Hz (C5=523.3
Hz) is far more natural than either 500 or 550 Hz.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

> -----Original Message-----
> From: O. Johns [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 2:57 PM
> To: Joe Subich, W4TV
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] sidetone range
>
>
> Dear Joe,
>
> I do use 740Hz as a work-around. But, for me, the higher the
> better.
> From F#5 to A5 makes a difference. I'd go even higher than
> 880Hz if
> there were available consonant tones between 880 and 1000.
> But 880 is
> the highest possible with 10Hz increments, provided of course that
> Wayne and Lyle can be convinced to raise the bar above 800.
>
> 73,
> Oliver Johns
> W6ODJ
>
>
> On 30 Sep 2008, at 9:31 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Why not use 700 Hz - it's less that 2 Hz from F4 (698.45 Hz) ...
> > or 740 Hz (F#5 - 739.99 Hz)? 780 Hz is only 3.99 Hz from G5.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [hidden email]
> >> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of O. Johns
> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 9:34 PM
> >> To: [hidden email]
> >> Cc: wayne burdick
> >> Subject: [Elecraft] sidetone range
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear Wayne and Lyle,
> >>
> >> In the original specs for the K3
> >> (and even now in the Tech Specs page:
> >> <http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3_specs.htm
> >>> )
> >> the sidetone range was, quote, "CW Offset/Sidetone: 300-1000 Hz,
> >> adjustable."
> >>
> >> But the newer manuals, and the K3 itself I presume, have the range
> >> limited to 300-800Hz. I wonder why this was changed? Was
> there some
> >> hardware or software reason, or did you just decide that no
> >> one would
> >> want a sidetone up to 1000Hz?
> >>
> >> Now most people may not need a sidetone above 800Hz, but I
> do. Here
> >> are my reasons:
> >>
> >> (1) I have a hearing loss at low frequencies. I know this is
> >> unusual, but it is so. It is hard for me to hear low pitches
> >> clearly. (I know the arguments about lower tones being easier to
> >> separate in a QRM situation, but, alas, that is of no use to me.)
> >> (2) I will be listening to that sidetone a lot, and would like to
> >> set it at some exact musical pitch so as to preserve what
> remains of
> >> my musical pitch sense. Now 440 is a perfect A4. But it is too
> >> low for
> >> me to hear. What I need is 880, a perfect A5. But this is above
> >> 800.
> >>
> >> Is there any chance that the upper limit could be moved back to
> >> 1000Hz, or at least to 900Hz so that it would include 880Hz?
> >>
> >> Thanks and 73,
> >> Oliver Johns
> >> W6ODJ
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >
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