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Tony Estep

something new, but not under the sun

I was tuning idly around the 20M digital frequencies tonite when I copied a
fragment of a PSK transmission, wherein the guy said his antenna was buried
under the ground. I was sure that it had been a flukey series of garbled
characters, so I waited and listened on the frequency. Sure enough, a few
minutes later, he faded back in, conducting another qso, and this time there
was no mistake: his antenna is buried under the ground. Now that's the way
to outfox the nosy neighbors.

good DX,
Tony KT0NY

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"We don't want every single college grad with mathematical aptitude to
become a derivatives trader." -- Barack Obama
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Jim Rhodes-2

Re: something new, but not under the sun

Tod K0TO one time gave a presentation of an on/under ground antenna designed
for the military. Very interesting.

Jim K0XU Sent from my Xoom tablet
On Jun 11, 2011 10:08 PM, "Tony Estep" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I was tuning idly around the 20M digital frequencies tonite when I copied
a
> fragment of a PSK transmission, wherein the guy said his antenna was
buried
> under the ground. I was sure that it had been a flukey series of garbled
> characters, so I waited and listened on the frequency. Sure enough, a few
> minutes later, he faded back in, conducting another qso, and this time
there

> was no mistake: his antenna is buried under the ground. Now that's the way
> to outfox the nosy neighbors.
>
> good DX,
> Tony KT0NY
>
> --
> "We don't want every single college grad with mathematical aptitude to
> become a derivatives trader." -- Barack Obama
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Stephen G4SJP

Re: something new, but not under the sun

John Heys G3BDQ's book 'Practical Wire Antennas' published in 1990 by the
RSGB describes such an underground antenna in some detail on pages 79-80. I
don't know whether the book is still in print or in an electronic format
anywhere.

They are very quiet on receive it seems ......

73 Stephen G4SJP

On 12 June 2011 04:35, Jim Rhodes <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Tod K0TO one time gave a presentation of an on/under ground antenna
> designed
> for the military. Very interesting.
>
> Jim K0XU Sent from my Xoom tablet
> On Jun 11, 2011 10:08 PM, "Tony Estep" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > I was tuning idly around the 20M digital frequencies tonite when I copied
> a
> > fragment of a PSK transmission, wherein the guy said his antenna was
> buried
> > under the ground. I was sure that it had been a flukey series of garbled
> > characters, so I waited and listened on the frequency. Sure enough, a few
> > minutes later, he faded back in, conducting another qso, and this time
> there
> > was no mistake: his antenna is buried under the ground. Now that's the
> way
> > to outfox the nosy neighbors.
> >
> > good DX,
> > Tony KT0NY
> >
> > --
> > "We don't want every single college grad with mathematical aptitude to
> > become a derivatives trader." -- Barack Obama
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Jack Smith-6

Re: something new, but not under the sun

Five interesting patents on underground and survivable antennas (such as
embedding the antenna in a large concrete block):

3346864
3594798
3705407
3803616
4687445

To view or download a PDF of these patents, go to
http://www.google.com/patents/ and enter the patent numbers.

Jack K8ZOA

On 6/12/2011 3:34 AM, Stephen Prior wrote:

> John Heys G3BDQ's book 'Practical Wire Antennas' published in 1990 by the
> RSGB describes such an underground antenna in some detail on pages 79-80. I
> don't know whether the book is still in print or in an electronic format
> anywhere.
>
> They are very quiet on receive it seems ......
>
> 73 Stephen G4SJP
>
> On 12 June 2011 04:35, Jim Rhodes<[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Tod K0TO one time gave a presentation of an on/under ground antenna
>> designed
>> for the military. Very interesting.
>>
>> Jim K0XU Sent from my Xoom tablet
>> On Jun 11, 2011 10:08 PM, "Tony Estep"<[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> I was tuning idly around the 20M digital frequencies tonite when I copied
>> a
>>> fragment of a PSK transmission, wherein the guy said his antenna was
>> buried
>>> under the ground. I was sure that it had been a flukey series of garbled
>>> characters, so I waited and listened on the frequency. Sure enough, a few
>>> minutes later, he faded back in, conducting another qso, and this time
>> there
>>> was no mistake: his antenna is buried under the ground. Now that's the
>> way
>>> to outfox the nosy neighbors.
>>>
>>> good DX,
>>> Tony KT0NY
>>>
>>> --
>>> "We don't want every single college grad with mathematical aptitude to
>>> become a derivatives trader." -- Barack Obama
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John Ragle

Re: something new, but not under the sun

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*"*An invention which has been termed the greatest American war
achievement is the Rogers underground and sub-sea radio system. The
Rogers system does away entirely with aerial wires, and *it is only a
matter of months now before all aerial wire systems the world over will
be pulled down*... "America’s Greatest War Invention" by H. Winfield
Secor,*/Electrical Experimenter/* (March 1919)...

Note this is a March issue, not an April issue.

John Ragle -- W1ZI
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Tony Estep

Re: something new, but not under the sun

On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 7:19 AM, John Ragle <[hidden email]> wrote:

> ...does away entirely with aerial wires, and *it is only a
> matter of months now before all aerial wire systems the world over will
> be pulled down*...
>
> Cool, there'll be bargains on used SteppIRs. OTOH, maybe I should be
thinking about an underground Yagi -- but then how would I rotate it?

Tony KT0NY
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Re: something new, but not under the sun

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George

Re: something new, but not under the sun

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My ham shack is in the basement. Before I got my outside antenna up, I made
contacts using 30 feet of hookup wire. I was running only 5 watts. It
amazes me what can be done with this ham radio stuff!! Geo/W2BPI
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Mike Reublin

Re: something new, but not under the sun

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Tectonic plate movement. The problem is the controller.

73, Mike NF4L

On 6/12/2011 10:05 AM, Tony Estep wrote:
> thinking about an underground Yagi -- but then how would I rotate it?
>
> Tony KT0NY

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