suggestions for a paddle?
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1.. Happy Holidays to all.. Been thinking about purchasing a new paddle. think I might need to spend the "big bucks" for a Schurr Profi? Would like to think I don't have to do that. All my ham career I have been using a Bencher paddle and have been satisified. Really like the looks of the Elecraft-Bencher paddle? Any suggestions on what to get?? Thanks. Tom km4cu
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Tom,
Now this will make a good thread - enough arguing about no-code vs. code. I highly recommend a Begali paddle as seen as www.i2rtf.com. This is assuming cost is not an option. I have used a Bencher, Vibroplex and Schurr. IMHO, I do not believe there is a better paddle made. I also believe that very few will disagree with me. I have met Piero and he has an incredible passion for designing the best paddles in the world. It shows. All of the paddles are great - I currently own a Signature Edition and a Magnetic Traveler. Jay - KT5E tom martin wrote: > 1.. Happy Holidays to all.. Been thinking about purchasing a new paddle. think I might need to spend the "big bucks" for a Schurr Profi? Would like to think I don't have to do that. All my ham career I have been using a Bencher paddle and have been satisified. Really like the looks of the Elecraft-Bencher paddle? Any suggestions on what to get?? Thanks. Tom km4cu > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I've used a number of "bugs" and paddles over the last
54 years and my favorite is the new Bencher Hex Key. It feels good and is HEAVY! It stays put. You can save a bit if you purchase one through Elecraft and you'll get the logo, too. (:->) Mine is S/N 0290. Alas, it isn't available with a chrome base ... even for an extra fee. 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP [hidden email] or [hidden email] _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: suggestions for a paddle?
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I second the vote for the Begali paddles. I use a Simplex (the least
expensive model), and it's a great paddle. That Bencher Hex Key is a nice paddle, though, too. I'd like to own one of each. :) 73! Dan KB6NU ---------------------------------------------------------- CW Geek and MI Affiliated Club Coordinator Read my ham radio blog at www.kb6nu.com LET'S GET MORE KIDS INTO HAM RADIO! On Dec 17, 2006, at 1:51 PM, Jay Schwisow wrote: > Tom, > > Now this will make a good thread - enough arguing about no-code vs. > code. > > I highly recommend a Begali paddle as seen as www.i2rtf.com. This > is assuming cost is not an option. I have used a Bencher, > Vibroplex and Schurr. IMHO, I do not believe there is a better > paddle made. I also believe that very few will disagree with me. > > I have met Piero and he has an incredible passion for designing the > best paddles in the world. It shows. All of the paddles are great > - I currently own a Signature Edition and a Magnetic Traveler. > > Jay - KT5E > > tom martin wrote: >> 1.. Happy Holidays to all.. Been thinking about purchasing a new >> paddle. think I might need to spend the "big bucks" for a Schurr >> Profi? Would like to think I don't have to do that. All my ham >> career I have been using a Bencher paddle and have been >> satisified. Really like the looks of the Elecraft-Bencher >> paddle? >> Any suggestions on what to get?? >> Thanks. >> Tom km4cu Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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If I say Shurr Profi II like new for $275.00 is that big bux?
Plus $10 shipping to lower 48. Sorry, no original box. Pix on request. de Joe, aa4nn ------------------------------------------------------------ 1.. Happy Holidays to all.. Been thinking about purchasing a new paddle. think I might need to spend the "big bucks" for a Schurr Profi? Would like to think I don't have to do that. All my ham career I have been using a Bencher paddle and have been satisified. Really like the looks of the Elecraft-Bencher paddle? Any suggestions on what to get?? Thanks. Tom km4cu _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
New Begali Paddle out soonly, was Suggestions for a paddle?
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Fellas:
Begali has a new (all stainless steel) "Sculpture" paddle coming out sometime soon. Not cheap (ca. $550), but BEAUTIFUL! Has carbon fiber finger paddles. 73, Tom N0SS At 12:51 PM 12/17/2006, Jay Schwisow wrote: >Tom, > >Now this will make a good thread - enough arguing about no-code vs. code. > >I highly recommend a Begali paddle as seen as www.i2rtf.com. This >is assuming cost is not an option. I have used a Bencher, Vibroplex >and Schurr. IMHO, I do not believe there is a better paddle >made. I also believe that very few will disagree with me. > >I have met Piero and he has an incredible passion for designing the >best paddles in the world. It shows. All of the paddles are great >- I currently own a Signature Edition and a Magnetic Traveler. > >Jay - KT5E > >tom martin wrote: >> 1.. Happy Holidays to all.. Been thinking about purchasing a new >> paddle. think I might need to spend the "big bucks" for a Schurr >> Profi? Would like to think I don't have to do that. All my ham >> career I have been using a Bencher paddle and have been >> satisified. Really like the looks of the Elecraft-Bencher >> paddle? >> Any suggestions on what to >> get?? Thanks. >> Tom km4cu >>_______________________________________________ >>Elecraft mailing list >>Post to: [hidden email] >>You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >>Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> >>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >>Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com >> >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Post to: [hidden email] >You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): >http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Tom, have a look at this. It is new on the market and pricy, but it is
gooood. Smooth as velvet. http://www.chevronmorsekeys.co.uk/ Chris G3SJJ tom martin wrote: > 1.. Happy Holidays to all.. Been thinking about purchasing a new paddle. think I might need to spend the "big bucks" for a Schurr Profi? Would like to think I don't have to do that. All my ham career I have been using a Bencher paddle and have been satisified. Really like the looks of the Elecraft-Bencher paddle? Any suggestions on what to get?? Thanks. Tom km4cu _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: New Begali Paddle out soonly, was Suggestions for a paddle?
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I ordered one.
It was shipped out a couple of days ago. I'll let everyone know when it gets here! 73, Tony W7GO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Hammond" <[hidden email]> To: "Jay Schwisow" <[hidden email]>; "tom martin" <[hidden email]> Cc: <[hidden email]> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 12:32 PM Subject: [Elecraft] New Begali Paddle out soonly,was Suggestions for a paddle? > Fellas: > > Begali has a new (all stainless steel) "Sculpture" paddle coming out > sometime soon. Not cheap (ca. $550), but BEAUTIFUL! Has carbon fiber > finger paddles. > > 73, > > Tom N0SS > > At 12:51 PM 12/17/2006, Jay Schwisow wrote: >>Tom, >> >>Now this will make a good thread - enough arguing about no-code vs. code. >> >>I highly recommend a Begali paddle as seen as www.i2rtf.com. This is >>assuming cost is not an option. I have used a Bencher, Vibroplex and >>Schurr. IMHO, I do not believe there is a better paddle made. I also >>believe that very few will disagree with me. >> >>I have met Piero and he has an incredible passion for designing the best >>paddles in the world. It shows. All of the paddles are great - I >>currently own a Signature Edition and a Magnetic Traveler. >> >>Jay - KT5E >> >>tom martin wrote: >>> 1.. Happy Holidays to all.. Been thinking about purchasing a new >>> paddle. think I might need to spend the "big bucks" for a Schurr Profi? >>> Would like to think I don't have to do that. All my ham career I have >>> been using a Bencher paddle and have been satisified. Really like the >>> looks of the Elecraft-Bencher paddle? Any suggestions on what to get?? >>> Thanks. Tom km4cu >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Elecraft mailing list >>>Post to: [hidden email] >>>You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >>>Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): >>> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> >>>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >>>Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Elecraft mailing list >>Post to: [hidden email] >>You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >>Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): >>http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> >>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >>Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
RE: suggestions for a paddle?
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The special keys with carbon-fiber paddles, beautifully-machined and
polished parts, precision bearings, etc., are wonderful! They are a delight to see, beautiful to caress, amazing to look at, ...and totally *unnecessary* to send absolutely perfect CW at any speed you are going to us on the Ham bands and do so all day long with ease. It's not necessary to spend a lot of money on paddles to be a first-class CW operator. Those keys are a hobby of their own for those with the money to spend on them and the desire to do so but, unless you're out to set a new human speed record in Morse, quite unnecessary. It's sort of like buying a Ferrari just to drive to the local supermarket for a few groceries. (BTW, Bengali advertises itself as the "Ferrari of CW", so I believe the comparison is apt, Hi!) Elecraft's Bencher paddles look like a good balance between cost and good design. I don't own a pair because my Scotia magnetic paddles that I picked up at a Ham auction 30 years ago are still FB, as are my KXPD1 set that travel with my KX1. Elsewhere, a key that has a connection with CW history is the Vibrokeyer made by one of the oldest bug (mechanical semi-automatic key) manufactures still in business: Vibroplex. They range from $160 and up (http://www.vibroplex.com/vibrokeyer.html) If you are still building CW skills, I would recommend a double-paddle - what's often called "Iambic" paddles. That's because you then have the opportunity to learn Iambic or "squeeze keying" if you want. They work just as well as any other paddle in normal mode, so there's no penalty getting them and you have that flexibility. I highly recommend learning Iambic if you want to be proficient on paddles. I used it for 20 years and found Iambic a joy that let me send traffic for hours on end with hardly a break, and do so virtually effortlessly. The downside for me was that doing so ruined my fist for using a bug. I couldn't do both because the virtually automatic finger response needed to form letters is totally different. When I left the keyer to return to using a bug I had to invest weeks in practice to learn to send making my own dashes and proper spaces again, not to mention my tendency to squeeze the key at odd moments, Hi! I switch back and forth now, using my KXPD1 paddles with my KX1, but I'm careful to use the KXPD1 paddles in normal mode (no squeezing) so I don't lose my "bug fist". Four things that make for superior CW sending skills are: 1) Paddles that feel comfortable and which hold their adjustment. That is, parts don't keep falling off or coming loose, Hi. Years ago a lot of very FB ops built their own paddles by mounting two war surplus 'straight keys' back to back on a vertical support. Whatever you can operate easily works FB. 2) Adjust the paddles correctly. No matter what sort of key you use - paddles, straight key, bug - this is important. Some excellent tips can be found at: http://www.morsex.com/misc/keyadj.htm 3) Paddles that sit stably on the table or desk top. I mount my keys on a thin (1/8" thick) piece of hardwood, usually oak, using flat head screws on the bottom, then I cover the bottom of the wood "base" with woven plastic non-skid available in most stores designed to keep things from slipping on table tops. The non-skid stuff is almost everywhere out here in the west in "earthquake" country, but I'm told it's available just about anywhere in hardware and housewares stores. Just ask for thin non-skid matting. I attach it to the bottom of the wooden base with some double-sticky tape. I've found that if I wipe a smooth, polished table surface with a cloth moistened with a tiny amount of cleaner to remove the surface oils, the key will actually stick there, and no amount of lateral force will move it short of destroying the key itself, yet it can be lifted straight up easily and with no damage to the surface whatsoever! 4) Practice. Just like driving a racing car: doing a superb job is 99% driver skill based on practice and 1% is the car. Ron AC7AC _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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If you're willing to pay more than $100 for a paddle, it's hard to beat a
Begali Simplex at $150-$170 depending on details. If you get the Simplex, spend the extra $15 for gold contacts, IMO. They are a permanent solution to contact problems. Being a single-paddle guy, having cut my teeth on the Vibrokeyer, I have the simplex mono. It's better than the Vibrokeyer in that once it's adjusted it STAYS adjusted. It's easy to set the Simplex for reliable operation with the barest perceptible movement of the paddles. It's the only key I like better than my old 1960s Vibrokeyer. I make fewer errors on the Simplex Mono than on any other key that I've used. My only regret is that I waited so long to get one. Just one aging gomer's opinion. 73, Ken K3VV Coopersburg, PA _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I'm with Dan .. I think the Simplex is about the best value/quality
combo around! de w1rt/john On 12/17/06, Dan KB6NU <[hidden email]> wrote: > I second the vote for the Begali paddles. I use a Simplex (the least > expensive model), and it's a great paddle. > > That Bencher Hex Key is a nice paddle, though, too. I'd like to own > one of each. :) > > 73! > > Dan KB6NU > ---------------------------------------------------------- > CW Geek and MI Affiliated Club Coordinator > Read my ham radio blog at www.kb6nu.com > LET'S GET MORE KIDS INTO HAM RADIO! > > > On Dec 17, 2006, at 1:51 PM, Jay Schwisow wrote: > > Tom, > > > > Now this will make a good thread - enough arguing about no-code vs. > > code. > > > > I highly recommend a Begali paddle as seen as www.i2rtf.com. This > > is assuming cost is not an option. I have used a Bencher, > > Vibroplex and Schurr. IMHO, I do not believe there is a better > > paddle made. I also believe that very few will disagree with me. > > > > I have met Piero and he has an incredible passion for designing the > > best paddles in the world. It shows. All of the paddles are great > > - I currently own a Signature Edition and a Magnetic Traveler. > > > > Jay - KT5E > > > > tom martin wrote: > >> 1.. Happy Holidays to all.. Been thinking about purchasing a new > >> paddle. think I might need to spend the "big bucks" for a Schurr > >> Profi? Would like to think I don't have to do that. All my ham > >> career I have been using a Bencher paddle and have been > >> satisified. Really like the looks of the Elecraft-Bencher > >> paddle? > >> Any suggestions on what to get?? > >> Thanks. > >> Tom km4cu > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Well, I have the Kent paddles. They are definitely better than the Bencher BY series. Very stable, no flex, easy to adjust.
I'd like to try the Begali but I find I'm using a straight key and bug 90% of the time these days. My paddles are packed away at this point. I've found CW is a LOT more fun if I do the sending rather than having some electronics box do it for me. - Keith N1AS - - K2 5411.ssb.100 - _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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