temperature sensors and "convert" -- totally off topic

[Richard Squire - HB9ANM]

Now this is really way off topic. Yes, any rig requires a learning
curve... But math? And furlongs?
This has very little to do with Elecraft!
Just wait until Eric gets back home after the weekend, I can hear him
saying::
"Folks, it's time to end this thread..."

73
Richard - HB9ANM

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In High School, 1953 to 1958, I was introduced to the Metric System in Chemistry and Physics.  I thought "WOW, what a system, I can soon forget the obsolete feet, inches, Fahrenheit stuff and use a system that makes sense."  In college in Engineering School I used mostly the Metric system which confirmed that we could soon forget the "English System of Measurements".  In 1978 when I worked in Scotland, I found that even the English did not use the "English" system and were converting to Metric.  I checked and only the United States, Burma and Liberia still used the "English" system.  I worked nearly 50 years using the "English System" that even the English found too difficult.  Now, I am retired and we are still trying to hold on to the obsolete system of measurements.  Even QST gave up on it 40 years ago!  Enough!  It is time for the USA to quit fighting the rest of the world and switch to Metric
 
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On Sunday, June 22, 2014 2:15 PM, Richard - HB9ANM <[hidden email]> wrote:
 


Now this is really way off topic. Yes, any rig requires a learning
curve... But math? And furlongs?
This has very little to do with Elecraft!
Just wait until Eric gets back home after the weekend, I can hear him
saying::
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Well, that may be more possible than many years ago when a switch to
metric was proposed.
At that time, the machine tool industry was well invested in the English
system for such things as screw threads and such.
Now that the automotive industry uses mostly metric hardware, the switch
may be easier than it was 'back then'.

I think the main stumbling block right now is a 'consumer attitude' in
the US that thinks in the English system.

I can go to the hardware store and buy Metric fasteners, no problem, so
in terms of hardware availability, no problem exists - I think the major
problem is in the minds of the US consumers who are well indoctrinated
into the English system of weights and measures.

Even at that, it is not entirely English - my weight is in Pounds, but
in England, it would be in Stones, while the rest of the world would
measure weight in Kilograms.

So much for standardization.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/22/2014 6:43 PM, WILLIS COOKE via Elecraft wrote:
> In High School, 1953 to 1958, I was introduced to the Metric System in Chemistry and Physics.  I thought "WOW, what a system, I can soon forget the obsolete feet, inches, Fahrenheit stuff and use a system that makes sense."  In college in Engineering School I used mostly the Metric system which confirmed that we could soon forget the "English System of Measurements".  In 1978 when I worked in Scotland, I found that even the English did not use the "English" system and were converting to Metric.  I checked and only the United States, Burma and Liberia still used the "English" system.  I worked nearly 50 years using the "English System" that even the English found too difficult.  Now, I am retired and we are still trying to hold on to the obsolete system of measurements.  Even QST gave up on it 40 years ago!  Enough!  It is time for the USA to quit fighting the rest of the world and switch to Metric
>  
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Since Eric seems to be on vacation or otherwise indisposed ...

With full credit to Richmond Johnson, a colleague at work and retired
USAF Col, I think the problem with "going metric" is that we all have a
"Knower" inside our head, as he said.  I "know" what a mile is.  I have
body parts that help me know what an inch, a foot, or a yard are.  On
the highway, I can probably tell you when we've gone a mile to within
maybe 200-300 ft.  I "know" what a pound is, give me a brick and I'll
likely hit it within a few ounces.  Yes, my Knower knows what an ounce
is too.

Ham radio as a teen exposed me to metric ... 80 and 40 meters.

While in uniform in SE Asia, I learned metric for good.  It took awhile
for my "knower" to know what a kilometer was without translating to
miles, but it did, and now I just "know" what a kilometer is, same for
meters, centimeters and millimeters.  I "know" how hot my KPA500 is when
it says "60C".  I have to think to relate that to deg F, and I don't
care anyway.

At one point a number of years ago, CalTrans began putting both miles
and km on road signs.  I don't think there are many left.  It's probably
going to take a generation or two dying off [one might be mine :-))]
before the move to metric will accelerate.  It's moving very slow now,
furlong by furlong, it does seem really slow.

73,

Fred K6DGW
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On 6/22/2014 3:56 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> Well, that may be more possible than many years ago when a switch to
> metric was proposed.
> At that time, the machine tool industry was well invested in the English
> system for such things as screw threads and such.
> Now that the automotive industry uses mostly metric hardware, the switch
> may be easier than it was 'back then'.
>
> I think the main stumbling block right now is a 'consumer attitude' in
> the US that thinks in the English system.
>
> I can go to the hardware store and buy Metric fasteners, no problem, so
> in terms of hardware availability, no problem exists - I think the major
> problem is in the minds of the US consumers who are well indoctrinated
> into the English system of weights and measures.
>
> Even at that, it is not entirely English - my weight is in Pounds, but
> in England, it would be in Stones, while the rest of the world would
> measure weight in Kilograms.
>
> So much for standardization.

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My remarks, while true were mostly tongue in cheek because someone wanted Elecraft to use measurements in Fahrenheit instead of Celsius.  Electronics is the one area in the US where metric is usually used.  Hams of all people need to have their "knower" bilingual since we converse with the world and most of the world uses metric.  In 1978 I lived in Scotland for a while on a job and they were reluctantly for some converting to 100 pence to the pound sterling, litres for liquid sales such as gasoline and milk and weights were in grams or kilos.  People would tell you their weight in stones, but I expect their doctors kept their weight in kilos.  A big problem with conversion, particularly in my industry which was oil and gas is engineers who do not want to change.  The thing that amuses me is that I have been wanting to "go metric" since I was 15 or 16 and I am now 73 and we have not made it yet.  I think it is about time to give up.  But I still
 need two sets of tools to work on my car.  At least screwdrivers, pliers and Cresent wrenches are not metric and "English".  At least Whitworth is out except for British antiques.
 
Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman
K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart


On Sunday, June 22, 2014 6:01 PM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:
 


Well, that may be more possible than many years ago when a switch to
metric was proposed.
At that time, the machine tool industry was well invested in the English
system for such things as screw threads and such.
Now that the automotive industry uses mostly metric hardware, the switch
may be easier than it was 'back then'.I think the main stumbling block right now is a 'consumer attitude' in the US that thinks in the English system.I can go to the hardware store and buy Metric fasteners, no problem, so in terms of hardware availability, no problem exists - I think the major problem is in the minds of the US consumers who are well indoctrinated into the English system of weights and measures.Even at that, it is not entirely English - my weight is in Pounds, but in England, it would be in Stones, while the rest of the world would measure weight in Kilograms.So much for standardization.73,Don W3FPR



















On 6/22/2014 6:43 PM, WILLIS COOKE via Elecraft wrote:
> In High School, 1953 to 1958, I was introduced to the Metric System in Chemistry and Physics.  I thought "WOW, what a system, I can soon forget the obsolete feet, inches, Fahrenheit stuff and use a system that makes sense."  In college in Engineering School I used mostly the Metric system which confirmed that we could soon forget the "English System of Measurements".  In 1978 when I worked in Scotland, I found that even the English did not use the "English" system and were converting to Metric.  I checked and only the United States, Burma and Liberia still used the "English" system.  I worked nearly 50 years using the "English System" that even the English found too difficult.  Now, I am retired and we are still trying to hold on to the obsolete system of measurements.  Even QST gave up on it 40 years ago!  Enough!  It is time for the USA to quit fighting the rest of the world and switch to Metric
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Fred wrote:   “It took awhile
for my "knower" to know what a kilometer was without translating to
miles, but it did, and now I just "know" what a kilometer is, same for
meters, centimeters and millimeters.  I "know" how hot my KPA500 is when
it says "60C".”  


Exactly, Fred!!!  Great concept.  It’s not much different than learning a new language…or morse code for that matter.  At first, everything is translated back to your native language and then to thoughts.  Eventually your “knower” translates the words (or morse sounds) directly to thoughts, bypassing the translation to your native language.  Suddenly it is all much simpler, but if we aren’t willing to put forth a little effort, it never gets easy.




As I said earlier, learn, learn, learn.  It is good for you.  

Oh, I almost forgot.  I run my KX3 at about 4 lbf. ft. / sec. ;-)




Mark
ars: KE6BB

Fluent in imperial measure, metric measure, and Morse code.





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Since Eric seems to be on vacation or otherwise indisposed ...

With full credit to Richmond Johnson, a colleague at work and retired
USAF Col, I think the problem with "going metric" is that we all have a
"Knower" inside our head, as he said...
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[Bob-270]

Hi Willis,

              Whitworth is not dead yet!!    I believe it is still used on
cameras for the tripod mount.

               Want a mess to play with...   My 79 Triumph motorcycle used
metric, our UNC/UNF threads and Whitworth on it. Need 3 tool boxes out..

73,
Bob
K2TK  ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR


On 6/22/2014 10:14 PM, WILLIS COOKE via Elecraft wrote:

> My remarks, while true were mostly tongue in cheek because someone wanted Elecraft to use measurements in Fahrenheit instead of Celsius.  Electronics is the one area in the US where metric is usually used.  Hams of all people need to have their "knower" bilingual since we converse with the world and most of the world uses metric.  In 1978 I lived in Scotland for a while on a job and they were reluctantly for some converting to 100 pence to the pound sterling, litres for liquid sales such as gasoline and milk and weights were in grams or kilos.  People would tell you their weight in stones, but I expect their doctors kept their weight in kilos.  A big problem with conversion, particularly in my industry which was oil and gas is engineers who do not want to change.  The thing that amuses me is that I have been wanting to "go metric" since I was 15 or 16 and I am now 73 and we have not made it yet.  I think it is about time to give up.  But I still
>   need two sets of tools to work on my car.  At least screwdrivers, pliers and Cresent wrenches are not metric and "English".  At least Whitworth is out except for British antiques.
>  
> Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman
> K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart
>
>
> On Sunday, June 22, 2014 6:01 PM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Well, that may be more possible than many years ago when a switch to
> metric was proposed.
> At that time, the machine tool industry was well invested in the English
> system for such things as screw threads and such.
> Now that the automotive industry uses mostly metric hardware, the switch
> may be easier than it was 'back then'.I think the main stumbling block right now is a 'consumer attitude' in the US that thinks in the English system.I can go to the hardware store and buy Metric fasteners, no problem, so in terms of hardware availability, no problem exists - I think the major problem is in the minds of the US consumers who are well indoctrinated into the English system of weights and measures.Even at that, it is not entirely English - my weight is in Pounds, but in England, it would be in Stones, while the rest of the world would measure weight in Kilograms.So much for standardization.73,Don W3FPR
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> On 6/22/2014 6:43 PM, WILLIS COOKE via Elecraft wrote:
>> In High School, 1953 to 1958, I was introduced to the Metric System in Chemistry and Physics.  I thought "WOW, what a system, I can soon forget the obsolete feet, inches, Fahrenheit stuff and use a system that makes sense."  In college in Engineering School I used mostly the Metric system which confirmed that we could soon forget the "English System of Measurements".  In 1978 when I worked in Scotland, I found that even the English did not use the "English" system and were converting to Metric.  I checked and only the United States, Burma and Liberia still used the "English" system.  I worked nearly 50 years using the "English System" that even the English found too difficult.  Now, I am retired and we are still trying to hold on to the obsolete system of measurements.  Even QST gave up on it 40 years ago!  Enough!  It is time for the USA to quit fighting the rest of the world and switch to Metric
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