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RE: Strange receive problem

Posted by Don Wilhelm-3 on Apr 23, 2006; 2:22am
URL: http://elecraft.85.s1.nabble.com/Strange-receive-problem-tp389057p389061.html

Joe,

Not the counter probe - use an RF Probe or a 'scope - the significant factor
is the RF voltage, the counter probe will only provide the frequency and I
expect that will be correct.

What you may be encountering is low injection to the mixer - the level
should be +7dBm for the TUF-1 mixer - if that level is reduced, the mixer IF
output will also be less than it should be - and decreased receiver
sensitivity will be the obvious result.  This is separate from a VCO lock
condition, but the VCO lock condition becomes more unstable at lower (R30)
voltages.

The other possibility that I can think of is a leaky coupling capacitor -
particularly those associated with the D6/D7 switch - in combination with
the RF Chokes, there could be some strange condition that only occurs on 30
meters - A short burst of transmit would change the DC conditions on the
capacitor and restore things to 'normal' until it charged up again - as far
as I know, the only real way to check for that is to substitute capacitors
in hopes that it will be found - not the best way to de-bug, but sometimes
that is the only way to go.  Remember that Murphy rules in instances like
this - if it can't happen, it WILL!!

73,
Don W3FPR

> -----Original Message-----
>
> Thanks Don,
>
>   I'll move the probe to TP1 and see if it changes when receiver
> sensitivity falls off.
>
>   I thought that if VCO voltage was low PLL lock would be lost.
> When this happens, the PLL stays locked, as verified by listening
> to stronger stations.  Also the VCO/PLL chain is before any RF
> amplification of a transmit signal.  Hence my perplexing
> question.  A single transmitted dash brings it back.  (As I was
> typing it went quiet, and a single dash made things right.)
>
>   To pose another hypothesis,  when it goes insensitive (I can
> still copy very strong signals) it is almost as if the 20m
> components were being switched back in.  There is no relay
> chatter, and I set sidetone level to zero, and AF to zero after
> it happens, and when I transmit no relay noise.  Could the I/O
> controller be the problem?  Sending a small voltage to the relay,
> but not enough to latch it back causing a high resistance
> connection at the wipers to partially enable the 20m components
> in the BPF.  And transmitting a signal forces it closed?
>
>   After I added the KX60V I went through and did the VCO voltage
> measurements and 30 was fine.
>
>   You are correct that there are very few portions of the radio
> that are band specific,  namely the VCO circuit which switches
> the diodes, the LPF and BPF, and the I/O controller which affects
> the first three.
>
>   I'm feeling pretty stupid as I can't find the problem.  I knew
> once I posted you would be kind enough to give me your
> experienced opinion.  I am just suprised that as the Dean of
> Support you have not seen this before.
>
>   Again thanks for taking time to consider my plight.
>
>   Regards,
>   Joe N9JR
>
> Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:
>   Joe,
>
> Try checking the RF voltage out of the VCO (at TP1) - compare 30 meters to
> 40 and 20. If the 30 meter output is low, that could be the major cause of
> your problem. If this is the situation, look first at the voltage at R30
> for clues. Normally the 30 meter VCO alignment falls quite within range,
> but if the capacitors in the VFO selection area are not quite the right
> value, it could make any one band go out of range.
>
> Other than the BPF and the VFO range, there is not much that is band
> specific in the receiver - all it takes is things tuned to the correct
> frequencies.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > I have been pulling my hair out for about a month with this
> > problem, and perhaps someone has seen it before and can point me
> > on the right path.
> >
> > I have an issue on 30m receive only. When I transmit on 30m I
> > get full power, and it receives normal, but after a while it
> > loses most of its sensitivity. Transmit again and it will hear
> > the other side of the earth. I have noticed that once it goes
> > partially deaf I can get a High Curr indication on the first dash
> > I send, but after that it puts out full power with no complaints
> > and of course after every transmission it is that beautiful K2 receive.
> >
>

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