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Re: new mini-modules: applications

Posted by N8LP on Sep 28, 2006; 1:42pm
URL: http://elecraft.85.s1.nabble.com/new-mini-modules-applications-tp394184p394189.html

Jack beat me to the punch, but Mini-Circuits is a great source for
attenuators, terminations, directional couplers, splitter/combiners
etc., all at reasonable prices. If you're building up a test bench, you
will need most of these items.

I also find their Gali series MMICs to be very good performers, easy to
apply and quite reasonably priced.

They have no problem with small orders from Hams.

Also check out RidgeEquipment.com for surplus attenuators and dummy
loads. They have excellent quality and service.

Larry N8LP


Jack Smith wrote:

> If you can't find suitable fixed attenuators at the local swap meet, I
> can highly recommend MiniCircuit's inexpensive HAT-series (with BNC
> connectors, also available with N and SMA).
> http://www.minicircuits.com/dg03-152.pdf for more details. These run
> $9.95 each and are real bargains. If you are serious about RF work, a  
> set of these in the steps 1, 2, 3, 6 (x2), 10 (x2) and 20 dB (x2) is
> an excellent investment. This will let you make up any attenuation
> value from 1 dB to 78 dB in 1 dB steps. (granted, stringing all 9
> attenuators in series for 78 dB is a bit awkward, but you get the idea.)
>
> I know Minicircuits has a UK distributor, not sure about VK-land.
>
>
> Jack
>
>
>
> Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy wrote:
>> Evening Kevin,
>>
>> A step attenuator capable of adding up to140db or so of loss is
>> certainly very useful when working with receivers, but would be quite
>> expensive I believe. If two step attenuators were used in cascade
>> they would have to be built and connected in such a way that ensures
>> that the attenuation in any sneak path around the attenuators at all
>> working frequencies is >> 140db, and that the switched pads that make
>> up the attenuators do not talk to one another via spurious paths.
>>
>> But even with a perfect step attenuator, the crosstalk between the
>> coax cables connected to the attenuator must be considered. The
>> leakage from coax such as RG-174 or RG-58 would be enough I think to
>> provide a significant sneak path around a 140db attenuator, adding
>> measurement error particularly so if the cables are physically close
>> to one another. Double screened coax helps to reduce this problem.
>> Leakage from the signal generator must also be considered.
>>
>> To get around these problems but still have a useful step attenuator
>> for single frequency tests, I use a compromise arrangement consisting
>> of a 90db step attenuator and two HP 11708A 30db fixed attenuators or
>> pads with N connectors, in a way slightly similar to what you are
>> suggesting. Having a fixed 30db pad right at the circuit / receiver
>> under test provides a reasonable 50 ohm source, likewise a load for
>> the step attenuator. The second 30db pad when used is placed at the
>> generator's output. The step attenuator includes five 1db steps which
>> I find to be very useful at times. Double screened coax all the way.
>>
>> 73,
>> Geoff
>> GM4ESD
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "kbgluxford" <[hidden email]>
>> To: "Elecraft Reflector" <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 8:12 AM
>> Subject: [Elecraft] new mini-modules: applications
>>
>>
>>> Wayne and list members,
>>> The AT1 step attenuator looks very interesting.  However, would we
>>> not need an attenuator capable of 140 db or so for receiver
>>> testing?  Yes we could cascade four of them, but this would scarcely
>>> be very cost effective.  How about supplying the same circuit board
>>> and parts but with a different set of resistors to enable increases
>>> in attenuation in say, steps of 40 db, which would mean that we
>>> would only have to buy two kits.
>>>
>>> Best regards from Downunder
>>> Kevin
>>> VK3DAP / ZL2DAP
>>
>>
>>
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