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Re: 135ft flat-top with K2, KAT2, BL2, and 450 ohm feedline

Posted by Zac Brown-2 on Oct 01, 2006; 6:56pm
URL: http://elecraft.85.s1.nabble.com/135ft-flat-top-with-K2-KAT2-BL2-and-450-ohm-feedline-tp394239p394241.html

Steve,

The feedline is actually 65 ft long.  It happened to be the perfect
length from the antenna to my radio, but I could add some more line in
the middle if needed.  I'd just have to make the feedline take a less
direct path through the attic.  What would you suggest as a good
feedline length?  100 ft?

I read Cebik's paper at http://www.cebik.com/gup/gup5.html and was not
sure if the 65 ft would be a problem on 80m.  In one of the first tables
in that article, he calculates the feedpoint impedance at 80m for my
setup for a 57.7 ft feedline and then for a 72.1 ft feedline.

80   57.7 17.6 2450 + 770
100  72.1 22.0 680 - 1107

I figured that I'd be somewhere between those two, maybe around 1600
ohms, but I didn't do any calculations.  I guess I was a bit anxious to
get the antenna built and installed.

Thanks,

Zac
KD5IEF
K2# 4907

Stephen W. Kercel wrote:

> Zac:
>
> I'm guessing that the configuration that you propose could run you into
> all sorts of trouble on 80 M. The problem is that the 135 ft flat top
> would have low impedance, about 50 Ohms. The transmission line is
> disturbingly close to a quarter wavelength. A 450 Ohm line with an exact
> electrical quarter wavelength and a 50 Ohm load would have 4050 Ohms
> impedance at the transmitter end, and the KAT-2 would see it as an SWR
> of about 80:1. Even if your line is not an exact quarter wavelength, if
> it is within a few feet either way, the impedance that your KAT2 will
> see is very high.
>
> You need to do a bit of studying with EZNEC and a Smith Chart. You need
> to find out the feedpoint impedances that the flat top will give you on
> all  the bands on which you want to operate, and then find a length of
> 450 Ohm line that presents acceptable impedances to your KAT2/BL2 setup.
> This same set of calculations would tell you whether you are better off
> with a 1:1 or 4:1 balun (or it might show you that you need one balun
> for some bands, and the other balun for other bands). You may discover
> that no single length of feedline works for all bands 80-20 M. In that
> case you need to get a very big DPDT knife switch (Military surplus
> outlets carry them) so that you can switch an alternate section in or
> out to change the length of your line for different bands.
>
> 73,
>
> Steve Kercel
> AA4AK
>
>
> At 12:18 PM 10/1/2006, Zac Brown wrote:
>> Fellow Elecrafters,
>>
>> I am putting up a 135 ft flat-top at my QTH.  I'll be feeding it with
>> about 60 ft. of 450 ohm ladder line, connecting the feedline to the
>> BL2, and tuning it with the KAT2.
>>
>> I was wondering if anyone on the list has tried this arrangement and
>> could comment on whether the KAT2 will have any problems tuning this
>> setup from 80 - 20m.  I'm also curious about which bands work better
>> with the balun set to 1:1 vs. 4:1 with this setup.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Zac Brown
>> KD5IEF
>> K2# 4907
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