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Re: Vetical Antennas

Posted by David Cutter on Mar 03, 2007; 6:57am
URL: http://elecraft.85.s1.nabble.com/Vetical-Antennas-tp444386p444387.html

Dear Doc

Given the 5BTV and similar trap verticals have reduced performance on 80m
and nil on 160m, do you have a scheme for using the whole elevated system as
the antenna on these low bands, eg a tuning/switch box in the support pole?

David
G3UNA

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Subject: [Elecraft] Vetical Antennas


> Mike - You have already received some good advice on your 5BTV
> installation. Let me add my bits of advice.
>
> 1. If you use a lot of radials in an elevated installation, they  don't
> need to be resonant. The purpose of the radials is to  provide  a return
> current for the transmitter and screen the antenna from the  ground (in
> your case the roof and house) to reduce losses. So I  suggest that you
> start with 16 or more radials the height of the  vertical. A conventional
> ground plane antenna does not really act  like a ground plane antenna
> unless it is fairly high above the ground.
>
> 2. A choke balun at the antenna feedpoint, one where it exits the  radial
> field, and one at or near the transmitter should help keep the  common
> mode currents down. A good choke balun can be made by winding  as many
> turns of the feedline around a FT240-433 or -61 ferrite core  as you can
> manage. There are other solutions that will work, such as  ferrite beads
> or an air core balun, but the ferrite toroid is simple  and effective.
>
> 3. Some commercial verticals are "DC grounded" by design with an RF  choke
> across the feedpoint. Check to see if the 5BTV is by using an  Ohm meter
> across the coax connector. If you get continuity you are  probably OK. If
> you can add such a choke use 2 to 3 microHenrys. If  this is the case, you
> are in good shape, add a lightning protector,  like the Polyphaser or ICE
> where the coax enters the house and  install a good ground. This is a good
> place to add the choke balun,  put it after the lightning protector.
>
> 4. The admonition against the tuner is to prevent you from using the
> antenna when it is not functioning properly or from using it on a  band
> for which it is not intended. Using it within the band is OK.
>
> 5.Moxon's concerns about quarter wave radials stem from two points.
>
> a. If the quarter wave length radials are not exactly the same, then
> there can be considerable disparities in the current each radial  carries,
> along with high angle horizontal radiation and reduced  radial efficiency.
> Shorter or longer radials share currently more  evenly even if they are
> not exactly matched in length. Longer radials  can be tuned to resonance
> with a series capacitor.
>
> b. Quarter wave radials are more likely to couple to the feed line
> causing common mode currents on the outside of the coax. Using a  choke
> balun at several points on the feedline, as indicated above,  will help.
>
> You will avoid problems in radials by increasing the number of  radials
> you use. This will reduce the magnitude of current in each  radial and
> spread the current over a greater area, both important  factors in
> reducing ground losses and increasing efficiency.
>
> 6. Don't expect very good performance on 80M. The antenna is short  and
> you are unlikely to be able to put in a good enough ground system  to make
> it very efficient. Still, it is better than no antenna.
>
> 7. DX Engineering has a 5BTV manual on their website that may have  more
> information on it than you currently have. Check it out.
>
> Let us know how it all works out. - Dr. Megacycle KK6MC/5
>
>
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