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Re: Attenuator and RF Gain Settings

Posted by Don Wilhelm-4 on Feb 02, 2010; 9:50pm
URL: http://elecraft.85.s1.nabble.com/Attenuator-and-RF-Gain-Settings-tp4503505p4503929.html

I just thought of something that might help those confused by the AGC
Threshold setting.
One other way to look at the required AGC Threshold level is to think of
it as an S-meter level
If your noise is S-1 or lower (on the K3's S-meter), you can set the
Threshold to 002 or higher and all may be well
OTOH, if you have an S-7 noise level indicated, the AGC Threshold should
be set to 008 or higher.

This is not an exact science number - the AGC Threshold menu parameter
values are not tied to the S-meter, but hopefully the relative scale can
give you an indication of which way to move the setting to avoid
activating the AGC on the ambient noise coming in on your feedline.

As I have said before I believe the default setting of 005 is even too
low - mine normally is set at 008 even though I have a relatively quiet
location.

73,
Don W3FPR

Don Wilhelm wrote:

> For ALL - a further explanation!  The K3 does not make noise louder!  
> BUT one *can* make that happen with incorrect settings.
>
> The AGC Threshold must be set above the level of the noise.  If that is
> not done, the AGC will activate on the noise and reduce the gain of the
> receiver.  The result is that signals which *should* stand out above the
> noise will be buried closer to the noise because their level has been
> reduced by the AGC action.
> Reducing the RF Gain will normally accomplish the same thing.
> Since all K3s are not at the same location with the same atmospheric
> noise level, the correct settings for one may not be right for another.  
> It all depends on the local noise, the atmospheric noise coming into
> your antenna.
>
> I am not certain how a person can say that the atmospheric noise on his
> antenna is S-2 to S-3, but the K3 S-meter reads the noise as S-5 to
> S-7.  I just don't understand that - what is the "standard of
> comparison"?  The noise is whatever it is, and the level indicated on
> any one receiver will depend on the sensitivity of the receiver as well
> as its S-meter response.  A receiver with a better MDS *should* receive
> that noise at a higher level than one with a lesser MDS.  The answer is
> to either add attenuation until the noise is reduced (preamp off,
> Attenuator on, RF Gain backed off), or change the onset of AGC so the
> noise does not trigger it - or both.  Signals that are greater than the
> noise will still be present and can be copied.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> juergen wrote:
>  
>> This problem with the K3's producing noise with AGC on is real problem. On my 40 meter 4 square I basically have a  very low noise floor S1 -S2. With AGC on I am getting QRN  that the K3 AGC makes thats not really at the level that the K3 is reporting.  Yes there is QRN there, but its residual  with occasional pops, not the S5 and S7 QRN crashes that the AGC produces. This is not  a S meter calibration issue either.  Like you my QRN level jumps up mysteriously. With the AGC is off this QRN is not there. I have the threshold set at 2. Even with the ATT on this QRN is being made  much more apparent with the AGC on. I hope Elecraft has a fix for this because the K3 is unusable for me in its current form on the low bands.
>>  
>>
>>    
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