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Re: K3 in a cw pileup - needs work

Posted by Guy, K2AV on Feb 07, 2010; 3:17pm
URL: http://elecraft.85.s1.nabble.com/K3-in-a-cw-pileup-needs-work-tp4523884p4529511.html

It would be interesting to know what all is used to create the signal
on VIFGAIN1 on the RF board.  It is at least some derivative of the
signal from the "RF" gain control.

73, Guy.

On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Barry,
>
> I do not believe that is true, and the graphs at
> http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com/elecraft_k3_agc_and_s-meter.htm#AGC_SLP_and_AGC_THR
> bear the real facts as well.
> Raising the AGC Threshold allows stronger weak signals (less than -100
> dBm for THR=008) NOT to activate the AGC.  Stronger signals will still
> activate AGC.  The Hardware AGC is not changed by the threshold setting.
> The result is the range over which the AGC operates, and that is
> different than the dynamic range of the receiver.
>
> The Gain Throttling talk has mostly been with reference to the
> amplification of atmospheric noise rather than the detection of weak
> signals.  While related, I do not think they are the same.
>
> The preamp and attenuator DO translate the receiver dynamic range to a
> higher or lower level - and the hardware AGC trigger point is translated
> as well.  Since the RF Gain is really an IF gain, it does not alter the
> onset of hardware AGC.  Lyle would have to comment on whether the DSP
> AGC is developed before or after the IF gain is applied, I do not know.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> Barry N1EU wrote:
>> If you simply raise AGC Threshold, you will have to lower AF Gain or risk
>> overly loud audio from stronger signals.  So what you would effectively be
>> doing is translating upwards the K3's dynamic range into higher rf levels.
>> This is NOT good practice - you want to keep the dynamic range operating at
>> lower rf levels (thus all the talk of gain throttling).
>>
>> 73,
>> Barry N1EU
>>
>>
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