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it working the way it does. What if those people like it the way it
extra menu option. That just not simple you're over complicating it.
> Stop brett, again, you're OVER engineering this concept.. Can't you just
> stop and use simple logic. Pretend like you're not an engineer. Let's just
> look at this with some logic. You turn on the RIT, you hit the spot
> button.. it moves the RIT freq ONLY. You turn off the RIT, you push the spot
> button and it moves the TX freq. like it does now. DONE.. Now wasn't that
> easy?
>
> Why does it have to work any different? If the spot button doesn't move the
> Zero Beat freq. now when CWT is off, why would it do it when the RIT is on?
> If the RIT knob doesn't move the XMIT freq unless the XMIT button is pressed
> why in heavens would it with my feature? See, logic.. it works EXACTALLY
> like it does now, except with the RIT button on. ALL OTHER CONDITIONS ARE
> THE SAME AS THEY NEED TO BE, or are NOW.
>
> This feature is OBVIOUSLY for people that SEND CQ and get answers back, this
> is NOT for people that spin the dial answering CQs. When I send a CQ out,
> and the guy answering me is 40Hz away, I push my RIT button, then I hit
> spot.. He's now Zero "toned" with my Pitch freq. THATS IT! DONE, No more
> engineering, no more programing.. NOTHING.. DONE DONE DONE.
>
> When I want to answer a CQ I turn off the RIT, I find someone on the band, I
> push the SPOT button JUST LIKE I ALWAYS DO, and I Zero Beat the person..
> DONE.. THATS IT.
>
> If this is just too much concept for you to understand than go into the menu
> and turn off the feature... DONE.. SIMPLE.. STOP Over thinking it. It
> sounds to me like you get paid to design things. Maybe you work in a job
> where you HAVE to think of something to make things harder because your boss
> wants MORE MORE MORE, he can't just settle with "hey bob, that's just how it
> works" Sorry, there's no more to it than that... Sometimes things don't have
> to be hard my friend.. They just work, and anyone with simple logic can
> figure them out.. that's the beauty of it.
>
>
>
>> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
>> From:
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>> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 01:51:31 -0800
>>
>> See the problem is going to be in implementation. Do you press RIT then
>> CWT to make it CWT via the RIT? Do you have CWT always move the RIT
>> only if RIT is enabled? What does it do if XIT is enabled? I guarantee
>> you that you have answers to these questions. I also guarantee you that
>> there are 100 people just as opinionated as yourself with differing
>> views. They can also be just as loud and vehement in their delivery as
>> yourself. You want to know why things seem like a good idea when Wayne
>> does it? Because he can do it and when he does it its done. It takes
>> no further argument, its already done. If you don't think that
>> something he's changed has never been followed up with mass discussion
>> against it you're mistaken there as well.
>>
>> Again I take offense in your stating that having an engineering degree
>> gets in the way of simple logic. ALL of these methods are simple logic!
>> PERIOD. Logic in its very essence is simple. Thus why the logical
>> solution is often referred to by the lay as the "common sense" solution.
>> Just because it doesn't fit in line with your solution doesn't make it a
>> poor choice.
>>
>> I also don't understand the "mistakes happen" comments that many make
>> with regard to the SPLIT allowing them to be off frequency and not know
>> it. There is a very obvious yellow light on the front panel that
>> indicates this condition.
>>
>> ~Brett (KC7OTG)
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 09:01 +0000, The Smiths wrote:
>> > Sorry Brett,
>> > but your offer to "help me" has a very condescending tone to it. I'm
>> > sure you didn't mean it that way so I'll answer your post as if you
>> > meant it in a "good" manor way.
>> >
>> > I have other uses for my sub receiver. I don't choose to lock my two
>> > VFOs together, which would HAVE to be done in order to accomplish what
>> > you're asking me to do. I have the sub receiver installed in my rig,
>> > and when I hit the Split button the sub is then completely rendered
>> > useless for me to monitor another freq. as I tend to do while waiting
>> > for the DX to show up on another band.
>> >
>> > Secondly, even if I don't choose to monitor a different band with my
>> > sub receiver, and I do use the method you suggested, this would cause
>> > me to have to push the A>B button EVERY time I move freq. to send
>> > another CQ.
>> > To answer your question, when you "SPOT" with the VFO's linked
>> > together and have the split mode on, exactly what you suspected would
>> > happen happens. The Main VFO moves, and the Split mode TX stays the
>> > same. This accomplishes what you wanted me to have, but it also
>> > causes my link to be off by that amount of Hz when moving to the next
>> > spot.
>> > Now I have to visually monitor my TX Freq. and make sure that I'm
>> > not accidentally transmitting on some location I don't know I'm on.
>> > With the RIT control, when you transmit the Main VFO number changes,
>> > and I can clearly see that I'm transmitting somewhere different than
>> > where I'm listening. With the split mode on, accidents could
>> > happen...
>> > Also, because I'm in CW mode, and I have my CWT text reader on, I
>> > can't see what Freq. My transmit is on unless I either turn off the
>> > CWT mode, or move the Sub Receiver knob to see where I'm transmitting.
>> >
>> > This just add too much confusion to a simple process by which I can
>> > hit a single button in RIT mode and achieve the same thing without all
>> > the A>B, Link the VFO's together, Push the split button, then auto
>> > Spot, then remember to reset the A>B again when I move to another
>> > spot 5KCs away to send another CQ.
>> >
>> > Yes, once again, your engineering and Masters degree has gotten in the
>> > way of SIMPLE LOGIC. There's no reason to have to drive in a circle
>> > when you can just put the car in reverse and drive 3 feet
>> > backwards. We don't need to over engineer this thing.. PLEASE, I beg
>> > of you people to just try to take a step backwards and see how simple
>> > logic works. This is what Average people want.. Not some complicated
>> > method to do the same thing as ONE button push.
>> >
>> > Again, if Wayne didn't think of it, the reflector almost ALWAYS
>> > rejects it. It seems that no one but Wayne can come up with a "handy"
>> > feature without this group thinking it's something we don't need.
>> > This is a sad commentary on the group indeed...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
>> > > From:
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>> > > To:
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>> > > CC:
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>> > > Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 00:31:11 -0800
>> > >
>> > > Why aren't you willing to give the SPLIT option a try...
>> > >
>> > > Rather than asking someone to code something up for you when someone
>> > > gave you a fairly viable option why not try to give that a chance? I
>> > > think you could probably get very close to what you want. Heck when
>> > > hearing this I thought it might be interesting to try always being
>> > in
>> > > SPLIT mode with the VFO's linked and then use VFO B as your TX then
>> > see
>> > > what happens when you hit CWT? When the CWT tunes VFO A does it move
>> > B
>> > > too? If it does then perhaps you tune with the VFO's linked then
>> > when
>> > > you enter into a QSO unlink the VFO's and use the CWT feature as you
>> > > want. You don't have to get RIT involved you can just use your two
>> > > VFO's. I've not tried it yet but I wonder what locking VFO B and
>> > tuning
>> > > VFO A while they are linked does.. These could be interesting cases
>> > > that could allow for some interesting things. Perhaps you'll find a
>> > bug
>> > > to submit to Wayne and while he's in that section of code he'll
>> > > implement your RIT feature?
>> > >
>> > > I see your getting agitated about this and your angry with people
>> > for
>> > > not seeing things your way but you need the ability to try the ideas
>> > of
>> > > others and at least try to see things from that side.
>> > >
>> > > My opinion on this feature is that when I'm wanting to use RIT I'd
>> > > rather have custom control over it for each instance as I hear
>> > different
>> > > pitches better in the presence of different types of noise.
>> > Therefore I
>> > > want the ability to just turn a knob and get things to my preference
>> > > quickly. Not to what my preference was when things were quiet and I
>> > set
>> > > my pitch preference.
>> > >
>> > > Finally stating that people who have engineering degrees can't
>> > > understand others personally offends me. I feel that you are the one
>> > > having problems understanding as well. The SPLIT suggestion was a
>> > valid
>> > > one (and your comment saying that it involved the subreceiver is
>> > also a
>> > > misunderstanding). The subreceiver is not needed to do SPLIT and its
>> > > not needed to use the SUB button to link and unlink the VFO's. If
>> > you'd
>> > > like assistance in trying some of these options I'd be glad to run
>> > > through some of them and see how they perform and then help explain
>> > > them. I fully understand what you want to do and I might even be
>> > able
>> > > to spend some time and help you get there with out requesting a
>> > change
>> > > of the firmware. I even have 2 of those dad burn engineering
>> > degrees!
>> > > Perhaps the MBA cancels them out?
>> > >
>> > > ~Brett (KC7OTG)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 02:42 +0000, The Smiths wrote:
>> > > > stop, STOP, STOP. Please stop trying to tell me why I don't want a
>> > feature that I'm asking for! I KNOW how the spot works, I use it ALL
>> > the time, I KNOW how my RIT works, I use that all the time... I know
>> > when and how to use my Width control knob. I know when I can use my
>> > spot button with it.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > People, it's a freaking Spot and RIT combination that I'm looking
>> > for here. I'm not looking for any of you to tell me how I can do the
>> > same thing, when a simple one button push of the spot button will do
>> > EVERYTHING I'm asking for.
>> > > >
>> > > > You don't need to explain to me how I can tune in a second K3 to
>> > another band, listen to a harmonic, then hit my sub receiver on, then
>> > use the spot button while turning my 3rd receiver's vfo control to
>> > zero beat the signal..
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > I just want the Spot button to simply work as a Zero beat control
>> > when the RIT button is on, WITHOUT moving my Transmit freq. I'll worry
>> > about how all the rest of the operations of my station function. It's
>> > really just that simple.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Some of you guys on the reflector just want to make things harder
>> > than they need to be, I have to figure it's because you have an
>> > engineering degree, and don't know how to think like the "simple
>> > man".
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > This is why my mother took 12 years to figure out how to set the
>> > clock on her VCR. Too bad I had to take it away and replace it with a
>> > DVD player. I suspect it will take her another 10 to figure the menus
>> > out on that one too.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
>> > > > > From:
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>> > > > > To:
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>> > > > > Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 01:48:44 +0000
>> > > > >
>> > > > > But auto spot can ONLY work on signals inside the passband to it
>> > cant
>> > > > > help in this situation in any case.
>> > > > > Presumably you are using a very narrow filter because you have
>> > nearby
>> > > > > strong signals
>> > > > > I don't see how it can help in this siutaton
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 00:53 +0000, The Smiths wrote:
>> > > > > > I DISSAGREE with you completely. When you use a 100/50Hz
>> > Narrow
>> > > > > > Bandwidth setting you NEED to have the other station Zero
>> > Beated or
>> > > > > > they fall out of the bandwidth area, or become hard to find
>> > with the
>> > > > > > Shift control.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I don't know about you, but I've set my pitch control to a
>> > freq. that
>> > > > > > I enjoy hearing, or is best for my hearing. If I could QUICKLY
>> > and
>> > > > > > without work just tap a button and Zero Beat the person to the
>> > > > > > selected freq. that I know suites my hearing, I don't see this
>> > as an
>> > > > > > unnecessary feature. The spot button is used for EXACTALLY the
>> > same
>> > > > > > reason, just with Transmit now.. Why not allow it to do the
>> > same
>> > > > > > helpful thing with receive???
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Again, as I've said before, Don't turn it on if you don't find
>> > use for
>> > > > > > it. Yes, RIT works too, but just as the other person was
>> > saying in
>> > > > > > his original post, HE IS TONE DETH and can't tune in the
>> > signals to
>> > > > > > his pitch freq... that's why he uses the SPOT feature. This
>> > would
>> > > > > > allow him to have the same simple control with the RIT as
>> > well.
>> > > > > > For those of you that will argue that we have the CWT "goal
>> > post"
>> > > > > > indicator, I say this, I've found many times where it either
>> > doesn't
>> > > > > > work well, or it indicates a Zero beat when you are pretty far
>> > off.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Again, this is an OPTION that can be used to HELP people. It
>> > doesn't
>> > > > > > offer ANY negative operations to your radio. Why people fight
>> > things
>> > > > > > so hard is just wondrous to me.
>> > > > > >
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