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TR K2 #838 on
Jul 11, 2010; 11:20pm
URL: http://elecraft.85.s1.nabble.com/Ameco-PT-3-tp5278625p5281146.html
Tom & Don,
Tom,
When the antenna is connected and disconnected the noise floor moves
just barely. You can tell, but it requires a critical ear.
>No, I'm not talking about "antenna noise." I'm talking about
>signals, in particular at 21.150. Using the pre-amp makes signals
>that are unreadable jump out clearly above the K2's noise floor and
>turns them into arm chair copy.
>A note about my antenna. It is a HyGain 5BDQ trap dipole and the
>SWR on it is 1.2:1 into about 200' of LMR240.
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Don,
3dB does NOT explain the improvement in the copy of signals received,
it is more like 7 or 8 S units, signal to noise. A quantum improvement !
Warren
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OK, that helps explain a bit - 200 feet of LMR240 has more loss at 15
meters and above than what I find is acceptable for me. At the shack
end, on 10 meters, the RF voltage is only about half that which is at
the antenna base - approximately 3 dB loss. Your preamp is making up
for that feedline loss.
LMR240 is good feedline, but at higher frequencies and long lengths,
I prefer to use something with less loss - I usually use LMR400.
>>However, the sensitivity of a properly working K2 on 15, 12 and 10
>>meters is sufficient to make a -136 dBm or lower level signal stand
>>out well above (greater than 3 dB) the internal noise of the K2. I
>>have measured many, including yours.
>>
>>Normally the atmospheric noise on those bands is low, especially
>>during the current (and extended) sunspot low period, and that
>>allows a preamplifier to be of value.
>>
>>The other thing to consider is the antenna (and feedline loss). If
>>there is not an increase in noise (due to the presence of
>>atmospheric noise) when you connect the antenna to the K2 (or any
>>other radio), then a preamp will help.
>>If there *is* a noise increase when the antenna is connected, then
>>*usually* a preamp will not help - it will make the atmospheric
>>noise heard in the audio output greater, but that is not a signal -
>>we normally do not copy signals buried in the atmospheric noise -
>>although a few ops have excellent ears for doing just that.
>>Warren & Barbara Reese wrote:
>>>Dear fellow Elecrafters,
>>>
>>>I want to report the stunning success the PT-3 has had on the
>>>upper bands. Especially 15 and 10 meters. I have long held the
>>>suspicion that the K2 is deficient in sensitivity on these bands
>>>and the PT-3 confirms it in spades. Stations that are
>>>indecipherable now stand out clearly in arm chair copy.
>>>
>>>Let me recommend to others to try the PT-3 !
>>>
>>>BTW, my K2 has been back to both Gary and Don and has been checked
>>>on the higher bands for sensitivity. It has returned both times
>>>with a testimonial as to it's being OK.
>>>
>>>TR, K6GC, the Great Circle Station
>>>in the State of Jefferson.
>>>
http://www.ijpr.org/Page.asp?NavID=1033>>>
>>>K2/100/KAT S/N 838, Updated with all the new mods.
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