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Re: P3: a modest proposal for QSY

Posted by Brett Howard on Aug 12, 2010; 6:36pm
URL: http://elecraft.85.s1.nabble.com/P3-a-modest-proposal-for-QSY-tp5410950p5417367.html

No what is going on is the P3 only displays one decimal point after
Khz.  Its dead on and it knows what the actual frequency is its just
that it rounds it to save a little space at the center of the display.
 Move your eyes over to the radio or your logging software and you get
a full readout of the same frequency from the same source the P3 is
collecting it (the radio).  Its not that you're off frequency its just
that you're seeing a rounded copy of it on the P3.  However once you
center the P3 on the radios frequency you know that the P3 and the
radio are in sync with one another and on the same frequency.

~Brett (N7MG)

On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Lu Romero <[hidden email]> wrote:

> So now I am getting a much better understanding...
>
> What Joe W4TV is saying is that a P3 is "never more than 50
> cycles" from the K3 frequency readout when correctly
> calibrated.  With a 100 cycle bandwidth, this is somewhat
> acceptable.
>
> However, on a Flex, I can click on a signal and be DEAD ON
> the signal I have selected.
>
> I have never operated a LP-Pan, but can I assume that it
> will function just like the Flex (it is the same software
> front end after all)?
>
> And Skimmer's waterfall display is also just as accurate.
>
> This means that if I am a "shoot fish in a barrel" mult
> operator and are combing the band for signals, I would be
> much more efficient time wise using a Flex/LP-Pan or a
> Skimmer than using a P3 on my K3, even with the Macro Magic
> CWT solution, right?  The upside is that no computer is
> needed (which is a non trivial thing, IMO).
>
> Will/can the P3/K3 combination approach the accuracy of the
> above systems?
>
> -lu-w4lt-
>
>
> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 02:58:27 -0400
> From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3: a modest proposal for QSY
> To: [hidden email]
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
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>
>
>> You're wrong Brett... No matter what you say the P3
> doesn't
>> automatically sync with the K3 to a 1Hz accuracy.  The
> Center line
>> on the P3 CAN be and usually is off by as much as 99Hz.
>
> You're wrong.  The P3 display will never be more than 50 Hz
> from the
> K3 if you calibrate it properly.  Hold "center" until the
> "Center
> Frequency" adjust display comes on and then hold "Center"
> again.
> The P3 center frequency will be calibrated to the K3
> frequency ...
> the display will change +/- 50 Hz (e.g. it will show
> 10.000.0 from
> 9.999.950 to 10.000.049).
>
>> Look, try this.. it's a very simple test.  Take your rig,
> put it on
>> 10.000.000  Now look at your P3, does it say 10.000.0.
> Let's say
>> that it does (according to you it should), now, turn your
> VFO knob
>> up until the P3 reads 10.000.1.  Where is your K3
> displaying? I'm
>> sure it's not going to be 10.000.100.
>
> No, the P3 display will change to 10.000.1 at 10.000.050 as
> I just
> explained above.  The P3 shows the correctly rounded version
> (not
> truncated) of the K3 frequency.  If you want the P3 center
> frequency
> to align with the K3 simply do the "Center" "Center" process
> as
> documented in the manual.
>
>> You just can't set the Ref-cal until you know the center
> has been
>> set correctly.  If you do, than you're going to have
> EVERYTHING out
>> of wack by that much difference.  Moving that Ref cal just
> confuses
>> things more.
>
> If you properly zero the "Center" as instructed in the
> manual and
> use WWV or an AM broadcast signal with SPAN set to 2 KHz,
> you will
> get REF-CAL set to well less than 0.1 Hz ... probably on the
> order
> of 0.01 Hz.  It's not rocket science ... just follow the
> instructions
> from those who designed the product and stop trying to
> argue.
>
> 73,
>
>    ... Joe, W4TV
>
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