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Re: [K3] Diversity Reception and Antenna Directivity

Posted by Jack Smith-6 on Sep 16, 2010; 10:35am
URL: http://elecraft.85.s1.nabble.com/K3-Diversity-Reception-and-Antenna-Directivity-tp5537531p5537888.html

  Spectrum Laboratory  by DL4YHF http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/spectra1.html 
may be able to do this already.

If the K3's 15 KHz IF output were available from the main and sub
receivers, Spectrum Laboratory could use those to generate the automatic
phase display using the direction finding feature. Don't know how it
would work with demodulated audio and 0 Hz IF.

It may also be possible to use the DSP black box functionality in
Spectrum Laboratory to introduce variable delay into the audio chain.

Jack K8ZOA


On 9/16/2010 4:37 AM, David Gilbert wrote:

> Several weeks ago, I believe that Wayne posted a message asking what
> kind of different uses people were coming up with for their K3.  One
> thing I've been playing with lately is feeding the signals from two
> horizontally polarized antennas at different heights on my tower into
> the Main and Sub receivers of my K3 in diversity mode.  Since the
> relative phase between the two signals is preserved in the translation
> to audio, I can feed the audio from the two receivers into the A and B
> channels of my computer sound card and compare the relative phase using
> a dual-trace sound card oscilloscope program like Zelscope.  By knowing
> the vertical distance between the two antennas I'm hoping to be able to
> calculate the arrival angle of the signal in real time.  I say "hoping
> to" because so far I don't have a distant stable, unmodulated carrier to
> work with ... the best DX carriers have come from 40m BC stations but
> the modulation screws up the triggering.   Once I get the methodology
> worked out a bit better I'll ask someone in Europe to throw a carrier on
> frequency for me.
>
> Playing around with this stuff got me thinking, though.  What if I fed
> the output from two VERTICAL antennas into the K3 receivers in diversity
> mode, fed the audio output of both receivers into the A and B channels
> of the computer sound card, and used an application that introduced an
> adjustable delay in one audio channel before summing the two channels
> and doing the D/A translation back to monaural audio?  Wouldn't that
> have the exact same effect as being able to adjust the phase of the
> incoming RF, and therefore the directivity of the 2 element vertical
> array?  I'm pretty sure that today's computers could certainly handle
> the computation.  There wouldn't be any constraints on the amount of
> delay so the array should be continuously steerable through an entire
> 360 degrees, and since the delay would be imposed digitally there
> wouldn't be any frequency dependency.   Ideally the two feedlines would
> be of equal construction and equal length, but even if they weren't it
> would be fairly easy to characterize their relative phase delay as a
> function of frequency.  I think mutual coupling even become a non-issue
> if the verticals are non-resonant.  Non-resonant antennas might be the
> way to go anyway since such unlimited control over phase means that
> spacing between them would be less of an issue, and therefore the same
> pair of verticals could be used on more than one band as long as the
> spacing was wide enough.
>
> Why wouldn't this work?  The PCM data format is pretty straightforward
> and I can't believe that the application would be that complicated to
> write.  I must be missing something but nothing jumps out at me.  If it
> worked, it could even be a feature in a next generation K3 (maybe even
> the current one) .... all it would take is some means to adjust the
> delay since everything else (two phase locked receivers, DSP processing
> for both RF and audio) is already there.
>
> In the case of the K3, all of this would only apply to reception, of
> course, although it almost seems like a transceiver could be engineered
> that used the desired delay determined from the receiver to set a
> corresponding delay for two identical tone-modulated transmitter chains
> driven from the same oscillator.  I suspect a pair of phased
> transmitters would have pretty limited appeal, though ... certainly
> they'd be an expensive way to get just two or three db steerable gain.
>
> Fun stuff to think about, in any case.
>
> 73,
> Dave   AB7E
>
>
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