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Re: K2: Debugging low transmit power

Posted by Don Wilhelm-4 on Oct 06, 2010; 6:33am
URL: http://elecraft.85.s1.nabble.com/K2-Debugging-low-transmit-power-tp5601987p5605929.html

  Owen,

You should not need a signal generator for Transmit Signal Tracing - I
believe you are in the Receive Signal Tracing area - skip that and go to
the Transmit Signal Tracing.  The K2 itself is the signal generator for
this TX signal tracing.

Try increasing the CAL CUR setting to 3.50 Amps rather than the manual
suggested setting of 2.50 amps.
Often the 80 meter output will be well above the 15 watt level, and the
current needed for that higher power output will be in excess of the
2.50 Amp setting.

If the Hi-Cur messages persist, then look to the Low Pass filter for the
answer to your problems.  Count the turns on the toroids carefully.  A
problem with Hi-Cur coupled with low power output is normally an
indication of a problem with either T4 or the Low Pass filter.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/6/2010 1:42 AM, Owen B. Mehegan wrote:

> Thanks again for the suggestions Don. Tonight I started doing some
> signal tracing, and my RF probe seems to work fine with my DMM.
> However, I ran up against a different obstacle: I don't have a signal
> generator handy, and the LPF/BPF/T-R Switch tests seem to require one.
> I can get access to one but it won't be until tomorrow at least.
>
> I did find one other data point for my symptoms. On SOME bands, I get
> the expected power out when I put the K2 into tune mode. Here are the
> results of my tests:
>
> 80m sometimes shows "high cur" the first time I test, then I quickly
> turn off tune, then try again and I see a normal reading
> 40m always too low
> 30m same as 80m
> 20m OK
> 17m OK
> 15m OK
> 12m too low
> 10m too low
>
> I checked continuity on all my toroids, from "pad to pad" instead of
> lead to lead, as far as I was able. Everything seems to check out
> there. I'm not sure I can do anything else without a signal generator,
> but I'm open to suggestions.
>
> --
> [hidden email] (Owen B. Mehegan)
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> And it must follow, as the night the day,
> Thou canst not then be false to any man.'
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>
> On Oct 5, 2010, at 7:01 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>
>> Owen,
>>
>> I am going to assume that you were successful with the Alignmant and
>> Test Part II and were able to receive 40 meter signals.  If not, you
>> need to backtrack a bit and get receive working first.
>>
>> The easiest way to troubleshoot a "lack of power output" problem is
>> to do Transmit Signal Tracing.  You can use an RF Probe or an
>> oscilloscope with a 10X probe.
>>
>> Turn the manual to the Appendix E section titled Transmit Signal
>> Tracing and begin there.  If using an RF Probe, the correct expected
>> values are listed, but if using an oscilloscope, multiply those
>> values by 2.8 and observe the peak to peak voltage of the RF waveform.
>>
>> An important note - the K2 will normally increase drive in an
>> attempt to increase the power output if the voltage out of the RF
>> detector is too small.  What that means is that all RF voltages
>> prior to the failing stage the RF voltages will be higher than the
>> listed expected values.  You will be investigating the transmit
>> chain in the order listed (do not skip around), searching for the
>> *first* stage where the output is lower than expected - that is the
>> failing stage which then needs to be analyzed to determine why it is
>> not operating properly.  Measurements beyond this first failure
>> point are not relevant to that first problem to be found.
>> All RF Voltage measurements in the list can be done from the top of
>> the RF Board.  Do not transmit with the heat sink removed.  If the
>> PA transistors do get a bit of drive, will produce output and if the
>> heat sink is not in place, they will quickly overheat and fry
>> themselves.
>>
>> Normal failures are soldering problems, toroid leads or incorrectly
>> placed components.  Active device failures are way down of the list
>> of failure suspects unless something has caused it to be abused.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 10/5/2010 2:38 AM, Owen B. Mehegan wrote:
>>> Hello -
>>>
>>> Two nights ago I completed the assembly of my K2's RF board, and
>>> after
>>> a visual inspection verification of resistance checks, I assembled
>>> the
>>> radio per the instructions and began the third phase of alignment and
>>> test. I've discovered a problem right off the bat, though. In the 40
>>> meter transmitter alignment section, when I put the K2 into tune mode
>>> at 2 watts power, I'm only reading .3-.4 watts on the onboard
>>> wattmeter (it alternates between the two). This is with a connection
>>> to a 100W dummy load. Varying L1 and L2 has no effect on the power
>>> reading.
>>>
>>> I discovered one mistake: I misread the instructions for winding T4's
>>> 5-6 and 7-8 windings. I wound these bare wires through BOTH holes in
>>> the core, in a U shape, thus connecting 6-7 and 5-8 (and very
>>> possibly
>>> all 4 together with a short in the middle - this is what comes of
>>> staying up too late working on a project!). I corrected this mistake
>>> tonight, but I'm seeing no change on the measured power. Is it
>>> possible that this mistake fried something? I never saw any smoke or
>>> smelled burned silicon, and the thermal pads on Q7 and Q8 look
>>> normal.
>>>
>>> I have also noticed that if I vary the power adjustment on the front
>>> panel while in tune mode, I see no change on the wattmeter. That
>>> seems
>>> significant.
>>>
>>> These are the other checks I've done so far, per the troubleshooting
>>> instructions:
>>>
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