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Re: K3: noise reduction performance

Posted by K2QI on Nov 30, 2010; 3:19pm
URL: http://elecraft.85.s1.nabble.com/K3-noise-reduction-performance-tp5779574p5788448.html

Hello Group,

I went ahead and ordered another BHI ANEM module, but I still have high
hopes that the K3's NR performance will improve.  I believe one of the
biggest issues is related to audio fidelity when the NR is activated.  I
find myself having to turn up the AF gain in order to compensate for the
drop in speech volume when NR is on.  Doing so however increases the volume
of band noise which sort of mitigates any benefits the NR brought with it.
Think of it sort of as a see-saw where one is always adjusting one variable
to compensate for another.

I hope Lyle will read this and perhaps be able to comment directly.

Mni tnx es vy 73,
James K2QI

On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 7:16 AM, James Sarte (K2QI) <[hidden email]>wrote:

> Hello Elecrafters,
>
> Regarding the issue of NR, I know this can be a touchy subject and most
> will say its very subjective.  This post isn't intended as a complaint or
> criticism.  Instead, I hope through constructive discussions, more
> improvements to the K3's NR performance will be realized. I'd like to begin
> by saying that Lyle and crew have a done a fantastic job to date with the
> K3's NR.  I've had the privilege of watching the K3's NR function improve
> over time.  The boys at Aptos should really be commended for listening to
> their customers.
>
> With that said, the recent CQSS has made me realize that there is still
> room for improvement.  During the SS, I used NR extensively in combination
> with RF gain and filter hi-cut/lo-cut/shift settings.  NR when used in
> combination with the aforementioned K3 adjustments can and does work well.
>  The problem that I believe remains however is the algorithm used still
> seems too broad in its rejection calculations; what I mean is that SSB
> settings (i.e. F5-1 and higher) don't seem to be selective enough to reduce
> noise while allowing speech patterns to remain unaffected.  In other words,
> the DSP sounds like its reducing everything within its passband.  To my
> ears, the NR doesn't seem to make speech "pop out" quite as effectively has
> other NR implementations.  This can be seen by a not-so-subtle reduction in
> speech volume whenever the NR is turned on.   The NR behavior is consistent
> regardless of AGC slope or threshold settings.
>
> Below are several links to audio recordings of a product I used to own.  It
> is called the BHI ANEM (Mk. II). Sadly, I sold it after getting the K3.  I
> should have hung on to it as it has become my benchmark for NR performance.
>
> These are some sample recordings of the ANEM being turned on and off.
>  These recordings are found on W4RT's website
>
> 20 m SSB <http://www.w4rt.com/BHI/20Mband-ssb.wav>
> 80 m SSB <http://www.w4rt.com/BHI/80conv-ssb.wav>
> 80 m SSB <http://www.w4rt.com/BHI/80Mconv2-ssb.wav>
>
> I've also compared the K3's NR performance to that of the Icom 756 Pro 3
> which has similar NR reduction properties - albeit not as effective - as the
> ANEM.
>
> Perhaps I am being subjective or overly critical, but one thing you can
> easily notice with the ANEM recordings is that speech volume doesn't get as
> affected as the K3s.  This is really surprising to me as the NR for the ANEM
> is AF rather than IF like what's used in our radios.  This leads me to
> believe that the ANEM's NR algorithms are more effective in reducing
> background noise while leaving speech unaffected.
>
> What do you guys think?
>
> Sorry for the long email. Many thanks in advance for your
> ideas/suggestions.
> <http://www.w4rt.com/BHI/20Mband-ssb.wav>
> --
> 73 de James K2QI
> President UNARC/4U1UN
>
>
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