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Re: K3 AGC Mush

Posted by Merv Schweigert on Dec 05, 2011; 1:30am
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Yep my RF gain for the high bands is usually about 1 to 2 o'clock at most,
low bands with more static its much lower of course in the 10 to 11 most
times.
My noise level on high bands is S1 to flickering S2,  20 meters on good
opening
is S3..   I have an idea many will never hear the problem due to their
noise level
being higher than the signals being copied here at least..
Merv K9FD/KH6

> For me, the RF gain setting has a dramatic effect on the character of
> received signals. I rarely set it higher than about the two o'clock
> position.
>
> Any idea of the RF gain setting while experiencing this 'mush'?
>
> 73, Dale
> WA8SRA
>
> On 12/4/2011 3:20 PM, Jan Erik Holm wrote:
>    
>> This is exactly what I have noticed too. Not even 10 signals
>> are needed either.
>> /SM2EKM
>> -------------------------------------------
>> On 2011-12-04 20:53, Merv Schweigert wrote:
>>      
>>>> Also, in the heat of the contest or DX pile up most reporters do not
>>>> recall how they had their AGC parameters set (threshold, slope, AGC
>>>> decay soft/hard, fast or slow, and fast/slow settings etc. If you can
>>>> let us know your complete set up for AGC parameters, if you are using
>>>> headphones or speakers,  the signal strengths, CW or SSB, RX b/w, what
>>>> different settings you tried etc., that will be extremely helpful.
>>>>
>>>>          
>>> AGC DCY  =  NOR
>>> AGG HLD  =  20
>>> AGC PLS  =  NOR
>>> AGC SLP  = 000
>>> AGC THR =  008
>>> AGC F      = 200
>>> AGC S     = 020
>>>
>>> Headphones and speaker, no difference
>>> signals S3-S4 range
>>> CW
>>> all bandwidths,  use mostly 400hz and narrower.
>>> Tried AGC DCY = SOFT  (have PF1 programmed to switch that in and out fast)
>>> ALL settings of SLP and THR
>>> Turning off the AGC  improves the "mush".
>>> Loud signals are no problem at all,  the K3 handles loud signals better than
>>> any radio..  its when multiple signals of about S-4 are on this occurs,
>>> more
>>> than two or three, a pile up of same strength signals.
>>> I can understand it may difficult to reproduce unless you have a way to
>>> have
>>> 10 signals of the same strength, close to the same freq, and keying,  just a
>>> carrier will not reproduce the effect,  has to be keyed signals you are
>>> trying
>>> to copy.  They turn into a single level buzz of sorts.
>>>
>>> One note - If signals are below S9+20 and turning AGC off does not help,
>>>        
>>>> its probably not a DSP AGC or H/W AGC issue.
>>>>
>>>> Also, make sure to use the AGC Limiter menu setting to hard limit audio
>>>> levels if you use AGC OFF.
>>>>
>>>>          
>>> Never use NR or NB  and have the AGC limiter set for no AGC times.
>>>
>>> In my rough gestimation it seems that signals in the S3-S4 range need to
>>> not trigger
>>> the AGC as they do,  if one could set the THR to higher level? perhaps
>>> it would stop the
>>> problem.
>>> Is it possible to increase the range of SLP and THR to move the point
>>> where S-3 or S-4
>>> signals trigger the AGC?
>>> Thanks much Eric.    73 Merv K9FD/KH6
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