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Re: New K3 built - can I reset the 5w calibration?

Posted by Don Wilhelm-4 on Dec 10, 2011; 1:48am
URL: http://elecraft.85.s1.nabble.com/New-K3-built-can-I-reset-the-5w-calibration-tp7076112p7080408.html

Sorry I hit Send too soon --,the 5% error with a 250 watt slug is 12.5
watts - if the wattmeter has been recently calibrtrated.  So a reading
of 25 watts can have an actual; power between 12.5 and 37.5 watts!  This
is with one of the most highly respected wattmeters -- when the power is
lower than 50 watts, you can do better with simple measurement tools.
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I prefer using the RF voltage developed across a 1% 50 ohm dummy load to
give me a more accurate power reading than any analog power meter I have
found.

Please take my comments in context - they are limited to a 50 ohm
environment and are quite dependent on the precision of the dummy load.  
If I want an approximation, I will use the words provided by my word
processor, but if I want to be exact, I will use the dictionary

73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/9/2011 8:15 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> Mike. but 5% of full scale for a 100 watt slug is 5 watts.  That is
> exactly the point being made.  The error is a percentage of the Full
> scale reading, and not a percentage of the actual reading.
>
> A 250 watt slug can have an error of 37.5 watts - whether the power
> reading is at 10  watts or 50 watts
>    al that can be concluded it that there is some power output - the
> number displayed by the meter cannot be relied on if the power is
> significantly lower than the power ratting of the slug .
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 12/9/2011 7:11 PM, Mike wrote:
>> 5% of 50 watts is not 5 watts.
>>
>> 73, Mike
>>
>> On 12/9/2011 10:32 AM, Eugene Balinski wrote:
>>>>    From what I understand, the meter is rated at 5% of the
>>> **full scale** rating according to Bird.  Full scale
>>> rating, is the rating on the slug.
>>>
>>> That would mean that for a meter with a 100W slug, your
>>> accuracy is +/- 5W (5%).   So, if your wattmeter is reading
>>> 50W, the actual RF power could actually be 45 or 55 W....
>>>
>>> 73
>>> K1NR
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 09 Dec 2011 09:08:55 -0500
>>>     Mike<[hidden email]>    wrote:
>>>> Wait.
>>>>
>>>> Using a 100W slug, if you get a reading of 100 watts, the
>>>> real power would be between
>>>> 95 and 105 watts, right?
>>>> If you get a reading of 50 watts the real power would
>>>> fall in a range of less than 45
>>>> to 55 watts?
>>>>
>>>> Not if the 5% at full scale is the best accuracy.  Or did
>>>> I misunderstand what you said?
>>>>
>>>> 73, Mike NF4L
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/8/2011 11:59 PM, Eugene Balinski wrote:
>>>>> The accuracy of Bird elements is typically  +/- 5% of
>>>> the
>>>>> full scale value.  For a 100 W Slug, that is +/- 5
>>>> Watts.
>>>>>       So theoretically speaking, with 5W in, and 0
>>>> registered
>>>>> on the meter, the meter is still within its rated
>>>> accuracy.
>>>>> Additionally on the model 43 meter, there is meter
>>>> scale
>>>>> end compression.  To get the most accurate reading, one
>>>>> would want to have the 5W reading at the middle of the
>>>>> meter range, which means that one would want a 10W
>>>> slug.
>>>>>      Unfortunately I do not believe that Bird makes a 10W
>>>>     HF
>>>>> slug any more.  Perhaps they need an Elecraft W2 ??
>>>>>
>>>>> 73
>>>>> K1NR
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 8 Dec 2011 16:47:27 -0600
>>>>>      Nate Bargmann<[hidden email]>     wrote:
>>>>>>>      From my experience, trying to measure 5W with a 100W
>>>>>> element leads to
>>>>>> very inaccurate readings.  The Bird is most accurate
>>>> when
>>>>>> the reading is
>>>>>> as near to full scale as possible.  That means a 5W HF
>>>>>> element (is that
>>>>>> even available?) would be ideal provided no more than
>>>> 5W
>>>>>> is put through
>>>>>> the meter.  A 10W element would be less accurate but
>>>>>> provide a safety
>>>>>> margin for the meter.  Even better would be to have
>>>> both
>>>>>> elements and
>>>>>> use the 10W one to get in the ballpark and the 5W one
>>>> for
>>>>>> a final check.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73, de Nate N0NB>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of
>>>> all
>>>>>> possible worlds.  The pessimist fears this is true."
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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