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Re: KB1VBF Re: [K2] Hi Current...still

Posted by Don Wilhelm-4 on Feb 21, 2012; 3:15am
URL: http://elecraft.85.s1.nabble.com/Re-KB1VBF-Re-K2-Hi-Current-still-tp7303283p7303342.html

Brian,

The KDSP2 is not likely the cause of the problem.

Your 3.53 volts on D9 is within the range of sanity for 12 to9 15 watts
output.
The fact that the K2 display indicates P 1.0 says that voltage is not
making it back to the MCU - or that the MCU has a damaged input at pin 2.

The voltage at the cathode of D9 should be carried through R66 (check
both ends), and from there go to the connector J7 pin 10.  From that
point, it will go to Control Board P2 pin 12, and then to CB P4 pin 10 -
then on to CB R12 and finally to CB U6 pin 2.

Check all those places for good soldering, and then check to see if the
DC voltage during a TUNE at  the RF Board D9 cathode equals the DC
voltage at Control Board U6 pin 2.  If it does, then CB U6 has a damaged
input pin.  If the voltages between D9 cathode and CB U6 pin 2 are
substantially different, then there is a bad connection somewhere in the
path between those two points.

It is not unusual for a bad solder connection to take some time to cause
problems - it will conduct just fine due to the mechanical connection
until oxidation creates additional resistance in the path and thus a
failure.

If solder connection oxidation is not the problem, then the MCU IC could
have been damaged by static during assembly.  Such damage may not be
immediate, but will drastically reduce the life of integrated circuits.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/20/2012 9:40 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

>
> Gary and Don:
>
> No KAT2 installed: (I am building it but have not finished it yet)
>
> There is about 3.53 volts on D9 when TUNE is pressed, 0 volts
> otherwise.  I set the power level to 15 watts but, as I said before,
> roughly 20 watts comes out no matter what I set the power to, and the
> HI CUR warning is always there with "P 1.0" power indicated.
>
> Do I check the MCU next?  Is that on the Control Board?  Could the
> KDSP2 board be causing a problem?
>
> Thanks again guys!
>
> Brian KB1VBF
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From: *"Gary Surrency" <[hidden email]>
> *To: *"b denley" <[hidden email]>
> *Sent: *Monday, February 20, 2012 3:05:13 PM
> *Subject: *KB1VBF Re: [Elecraft] [K2]  Hi Current...still
>
> Don't connect a KAT2, KAT100, or KPA100 until the power control
> problem is fixed, since any of those can have damage that affects the
> power control.
>
> Damage to D9 on the RF board or to the VRFDET input pin 2 of the
> 18C452 MCU can cause a loss of power control too. If OK, there should
> be up to about 4VDC at the cathode of D9 when transmitting at full
> power (14-15 watts).
>
>
> --
> 73, Gary AB7MY
>
> =========
> [hidden email]
> Elecraft Technical Support
>    
>
> On 2/20/2012 11:58 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
>
>     Thanks Gary.  The rig does put out power as it turns out (plenty
>     in fact) but is not controlling that power.  High power comes out
>     at any power setting with the associated Hi Cur warning.  See Don
>     Wilhelm's latest advice below.
>
>     Brian KB1VBF
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>     *From: *"Gary Surrency" <[hidden email]>
>     *To: *[hidden email]
>     *Cc: *"Don Wilhelm" <[hidden email]>, "b denley"
>     <[hidden email]>, "Wayne Burdick" <[hidden email]>,
>     "[hidden email] Wilhelm" <[hidden email]>
>     *Sent: *Monday, February 20, 2012 1:20:22 PM
>     *Subject: *KB1VBF Re: [Elecraft] [K2]  Hi Current...still
>
>     Try all bands.
>
>     Make sure no relays have a soldering iron burn.
>
>     Check the t-r switch has no reversed diodes or Q2 is reversed. The
>     pictorial in the back of the manual shows which way these parts go.
>
>     An open RFC6 will cause self oscillation. This part is under Q6 on
>     the bottom of the RF board.
>
>     Check all parts are correct in the Q5-Q8 area.
>
>     Check D9's cathode has about 4VDC at 14-15w if the rig will
>     produce that power level.
>
>     Check the BNC connector does not have a broken ground pin. I have
>     seen that before.
>
>     --
>     73, Gary AB7MY
>
>     =========
>     [hidden email]
>     Elecraft Technical Support
>        
>
>
>     On 2/18/2012 10:33 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>
>         Brian,
>
>         Is this condition on one band, or does it exist on all bands?
>
>         The winding of T4 will affect all bands,
>         A Low Pass Filter problem will affect one or two bands.
>
>         Transmit into a 50 ohm dummy load - then:
>         Quickly measure the voltage at the base of Q7 or Q8 during a
>         TUNE.  It should be between 0.60 and 0.64 volts.
>
>         Count the turns on T4 carefully, the green winding should have
>         2 turns and the white winding should have 3 turns.  The "link"
>         wires should go from the front of the transformer directly to
>         the back (they do not wrap through both holes)..
>
>         73,
>         Don W3FPR
>
>         On 2/18/2012 10:15 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>
>             Did you check the winding on the PA transformer? If the
>             impedance were much too low, the current could be too
>             high. Could also be excessive bias current. What's the
>             current drain in transmit mode, key up (i.e. tapping XMIT
>             but not the key)?
>
>             Wayne
>             N6KR
>
>             On Feb 18, 2012, at 7:09 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>
>
>
>                 After getting the HiCur message, I replaced the two PA
>                 transistors, the associated hardware, Q11 and Q13, and
>                 R50.  Unfortunately I stll get the same message:
>                 HiCur when I press TUNE with power any higher than
>                 about 1.5 watts  inot a 50 ohm dummy load.  Any have
>                 any ideas about what else might cause this problem?
>
>
>
>                 Brian KB1VBF
>
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