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Re: filters and contests and interference question/opinions

Posted by KD8NNU on Mar 26, 2012; 4:52pm
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Hi Bill,

Thanks for the reply.

You are correct that I am new to contesting and do the S&P method.   So
yes I try to dial in the frequency and tighten the filters as much as
possible.

Yes I was getting some AGC pumping and after emails stating this I went
and played with my settings on low and high signals and eleminated this
problem

For running one frequency and trying to create my own pile up has not
been sucessful.  Michigan is just not that rare I guess :-).  However,
your point of running your DSP at about 2.0 ish tells me that I might
want to keep that filter also incase this ever changes.   Or maybe I
need to spend more time on one frequency making calls.

I have room in the K3 for 1 more filter so I just may go ahead and get a
1.8 to try it out to keep some noise out of the passband when I do the
fine tuning.


~73
Don
KD8NNU


On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 9:20 PM, Bill W4ZV wrote:

> goldtr8 wrote
>>
>> Currently I have a 2.7, and 2.1 filter plus the narrow ones for
>> digital.
>>
>> My brain is starting to tell me to stop using the 2.1 and get either
>> a 1.8 or even a 1.5 or possibly both.   My thoughts are that the dsp
>> would work much better if some of the interference can be directly
>> blocked out by the filter.   These thoughts are guided by past
>> readings on the list that this is the case.
>>
>> What is the collective wisdom of these filter changes I am thinking
>> about.   I am curious about others who may have tried these and if
>> they kept them or if they thought it made no difference at all.
>>
>
> The answer is...it depends.  :-)
>
> I believe you're fairly new to radio and contesting.  Therefore I'm
> assuming
> you mostly tune for DX stations and call them rather than running a
> pileup
> yourself, which requires good antennas and high power on SSB.  For
> DXing or
> Search and Pounce (S&P) contesting, you normally have plenty of time
> to tune
> in stations carefully before calling.  In this case narrow filters
> (either
> XFIL or DSP) will work even with bandwidths down to 1.5 kHz.
> BUT...this
> assumes you have time to carefully tune in the station you want to
> call.
>
> In the case of someone running a pileup at fairly high rates (e.g.
> 150-200
> per hour), it's a different situation.  You want to copy callers
> correctly
> the first time without any tuning, send your exchange and get his
> exchange
> in the space of 15 seconds and go on to the next one.  The problem
> with
> extremely narrow SSB filters is that many callers will be slightly off
> frequency (e.g. 100 Hz) which renders them unintelligible when using
> narrow
> filters.  With a little wider filter, your ears can still copy the
> off-frequency guys without needing to touch the VFO.
> I had a 1.8k filter in the CQ WW last October and gave up using it
> because
> of this problem...and a 1.5k would be even worse.  Instead I found
> myself
> using a DSP setting of 2.0-2.1k with the stock 2.7k XFIL, so after the
> contest I traded my 1.8k XFIL for a 2.1k.  Unfortunately conditions on
> my
> favorite SSB band (10m) have been so poor that I opted not to enter
> the ARRL
> DX SSB or CQ WPX SSB and really haven't had a chance to try it under
> fire,
> but I believe it will be better than the 1.8k for my purposes.
> As Don said earlier, the major advantage of a narrow XFIL is to
> prevent AGC
> pumping from strong stations nearby.  In extremely crowded contests
> this can
> be a major problem.  However a narrower filter WILL NOT remove the
> splatter
> from nearby stations...nothing can do that short of using phased
> antennas to
> null their signal.
>
> 73,  Bill
>
>
>
>
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