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Re: K2 BFO test failed

Posted by Mike Maiorana-2 on Oct 01, 2017; 2:53am
URL: http://elecraft.85.s1.nabble.com/K2-BFO-test-failed-tp7634802p7634825.html

Don,
Thank you again for your very detailed response. I think I've found the
problem.
After doing the visual checks you suggested I wanted to try and isolate the
crystals to see if the problem was there.
I left L33 alone and carefully removed the BFO crystal that was accessible
without removing the inductor. Now CAL FCTR showed the BFO frequency as
00000. Interesting.

I then removed L33 and the second BFO crystal. Using a simple crystal
tester/oscillator I have showed the second crystal (the one under L33) did
not oscillate. The other crystal seemed to oscillate fine. So, it looks
like an order for a pair of BFO crystals should get me back in business, or
at least let me continue the alignment. Hopefully this was the only problem.

Thanks again Don for your expert advice. I'll follow up when I get the
replacement parts.
Best regards and 73
Mike M.
KU4QO

On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Mike,
>
> How did you check the value of the resistor.  If you used your DMM while
> it was in-circuit, then you have an open L33.  The BFO would oscillate, but
> the range would be restricted as yours is or more narrow.
>
> First thing, check capacitors C173 and C174 to be certain you have the
> correct values installed.  Those blue capacitors with the yellow printing
> on them are difficult to read, so use a magnifier and lots of light.
>
> Then check D37 and D38 to be certain they are oriented correctly - the
> slightly angled side is the "rounded" side.
>
> Make certain RP6 is well soldered - reflow with a hot iron (750 degF) and
> apply a bit of extra solder - you really one need the flux.  The iron dwell
> time should be about 3 seconds, but watch for the solder to flow out onto
> both the solder pad and the component lead to assure good soldering - up to
> 5 seconds dwell will not hurt anything.
>
> Then when doing the BFO Hi and BFO LO frequency checks make sure RP6 pin 7
> goes to quite near 5 volts and also quite near zero volts.
>
> The above are the easiest items to check.
> Keep in mind that the resistor which holds L33 is really an insulator, it
> serves no electrical function.
>
> You are correct that a bad BFO crystal could cause the problem, but to
> change them (change them as a matched pair), you have to lift L33.  Not too
> bad is you are careful, leave the leads connected to the resistor leads,
> heat the solder pad and pull the resistor lead out - repeat for the other
> side and lift L33 and the resistor off as an assembly.
>
> So try the easy stuff first, and if that does not cure it, contact
> Elecraft Support and request a pair of BFO crystals and a new L33 and 5.1
> meg resistor to replace them.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 9/30/2017 5:40 PM, Mike Maiorana wrote:
>
>> Thanks Don.
>> I triple-checked the inductor wires and they are well soldered to the
>> pads. I also verified the value of the resistor across it, 5.1 Mohms. I
>> reflowed the solder anyway, but no change in the BFO frequency range.
>>
>> If L33 wasn't connected would the oscillator even run?
>>
>> If one of the two crystals was bad (or not soldered properly) would you
>> also see a reduction in BFO range?
>> What about if one of the varactors had failed?
>>
>> Any further advice will be greatly appreciated.
>> Thanks and 73
>> Mike M.
>> KU4QO
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 9:57 AM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]
>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>
>>     Mike,
>>
>>     The inadequate BFO range is usually a result of the L33 toroid
>>     leads not being well soldered.  The toroid wires are very fine and
>>     sometimes are not visible to the naked eye, so use magnification
>>     to examine them. When re-soldering, use a pointed tool to bring
>>     the fine toroid wires down onto the solder pad instead of further
>>     up on the securing resistor lead.
>>
>>     For adjusting the 4 MHz Reference Oscillator (that has nothing to
>>     do with the BFO range), refer to the K2 Dial Calibration article
>>     on my website www.w3fpr.com <http://www.w3fpr.com> for the most
>>
>>     accurate method of adjusting the Reference Oscillator.
>>
>>     Be aware that the 4 MHz Reference oscillator can drift in normal
>>     operation, so soon after adjusting it, run CAL PLL and CAL FIL
>>     while it is still "on frequency".  That oscillator is not used in
>>     operation for the K2 frequency display.  In other words, simply
>>     adjusting the 4 MHz Reference does nothing for normal operation.
>>
>>     73,
>>     Don W3FPR
>>
>>
>>     On 9/30/2017 9:35 AM, Mike Maiorana wrote:
>>
>>         Hello all. I have a K2, 6000+ serial number, that I'm trying
>>         to get working
>>         correctly. Unknown history. A quick test showed the filters
>>         were not
>>         properly adjusted (could hear both sidebands of carrier on
>>         some bands). I
>>         thought it would be best to do a top-down alignment.
>>
>>         I adjusted the 4 MHz oscillator, verified the PLL reference
>>         oscillator
>>         range (12.43 kHz), VCO test and VCO alignment. No problems up
>>         to that
>>         point.
>>
>>         I'm having an issue at the BFO test. The BFO high frequency is
>>         4916.04 kHz
>>         and the low frequency is 4913.82 kHz. That's a difference of
>>         2.19 kHz, well
>>         below the 3.6 kHz stated minimum.
>>
>>
>>
>
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