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Re: KPA500 Questions about power and efficiency

Posted by Jack Brindle-2 on Jan 17, 2018; 1:18am
URL: http://elecraft.85.s1.nabble.com/KPA500-Questions-about-power-and-efficiency-tp7637476p7637481.html

Hey Richard;

I’m glad you are enjoying our creation. The KPA500 is truly a fine piece of hardware and firmware
that continues to evolve. The most recent firmware version is V1.54, releasing in mid December.

Others have answered many of your questions, let me give my shot at a few. I usually run my
KPA500 in contests at 600 watts. Briefly lighting the 700 watt LED is not unusual, but I don’t
consistently leave it lit. The amplifier is quite comfortable at 600 watts for long periods of time.
Mine is one of the first units and was hand-built, so I can’t claim to have the original PA Deck
installed (it is still sitting on my work bench however), but my current PA Deck is one of the
original shipping versions. After about 10 years, it is working just fine for me.

As for calibration, we perform the cal at the factory for factory-built units, but not for kits.
The reason is that we need to marry the front panel board with the PA Deck to perform these
adjustments, something that is not done until well into assembly. The adjustment values are
kept in memory on the front panel board’s processor. This also means that if you swap the
PA Deck you will need to recalibrate the measurements. Feel free to perform your own
calibration to a known standard. You will probably find that you will need to vary the values
by some small amount to get really accurate measurements. In general they are pretty close
to start off with, but won’t be “right on.”

Enjoy the amplifier, and by all means use it at the power you want. If you have any questions
or need any help, we are here, just ask. You will find customer support to be very helpful.

73!

Jack, W6FB
Elecraft Engineering


> On Jan 16, 2018, at 3:14 PM, Richard Stutsman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I've had my KPA500 for a couple of weeks, now, and I have questions
> relating to its efficiency as a function of power output and band. A friend
> of mine recommended that I run only 300 watts output most of the time in
> order to preserve the life of the FETs. I told him that I didn't spend
> $2300 on an amp just to get less than 5 dB of gain in my signal (over my
> 100-watt exciter) instead of the 7 or 8 dB I paid for. Am I wrong?
>
> I took a lot of data this morning that indicates that there is an inverse
> relationship between output power and efficiency - to the extent that, down
> to about 300 watts, I find that the amount of heat the finals have to
> dissipate is less, the higher the power output. This is rather
> anti-intuitive.
>
> And if that is true, then wouldn't it be better for the finals if I
> routinely ran the amp at the higher power, so long as voltage, current, and
> temperature remain within safe limits? Is it safe to run 600 watts on CW,
> especially on 80 and 160 meters, where the efficiency appears to be so good
> that the finals run cool at 600 watts - even cooler than at 500 watts?
>
> The following data was taken while transmitting into a dummy load. I
> adjusted the drive power to obtain one of several predefined output power
> levels and then measured input volts and amps and calculated input power
> (HV x Current), power dissipation (Input - Output), and efficiency
> (Input/Output). Each measurement was taken after about one second of key
> down in CW mode. Doing the calculations in between each test allowed the
> finals and dummy load to cool off. I never heard the fan come on. Drive,
> Output, Input and Dissipation are in Watts. I have shown voltages falling
> slightly below 60.0 in red, but I had no problem getting 600 watts output
> with less than 40 watts of drive, even in those cases.
>
> *Band  Drive Output  Volts  Amps  Input Dissipation Efficiency*
>
> 1.8    23    500    64.3  10.2   654     154         76%
>        30    600    63.9  10.9   697      97         86%
>
> 3.5    23    500    65.1   9.4   612     112         82%
>        30    600    63.2  10.5   664      64         90%
>
>  5     24    500    63.7  11.2   707     207         71%
>        30    600    62.8  12.0   754     154         80%
>
>  7     27    500    62.3  12.5   779     279         64%
>        35    600    61.2  13.8   845     245         71%
>
> 10     32    500    61.2  13.4   820     320         61%
>        39    600    59.8  14.6   873     273         69%
>
> 14     15    225    63.4   9.6   609     384         37%
>        20    310    62.9  11.5   723     413         43%
>        24    400    61.5  12.8   787     387         51%
>        33    500    59.0  14.3   844     344         59%
>        40    600    58.7  15.8   927     327         65%
>
> 18     26    490    60.6  12.9   782     392         63%
>        33    600    59.6  13.8   822     222         73%
>
> 21     26    500    60.0  13.9   834     334         60%
>        35    600    59.8  15.2   909     309         66%
>
> 24     23    500    61.4  12.4   761     261         66%
>        30    600    61.0  13.5   824     224         73%
>
> 28     22    500    61.4  12.7   780     280         64%
>        27    600    60.6  13.8   836     236         72%
>
> Note that in every case there is lower power dissipation (and therefore
> less heat generated), the higher the power. I decided to test several lower
> power outputs on 20 meters, and I got the maximum dissipation at 310 watts,
> and the dissipation at 225 watts was nearly the same as it was at 400 watts.
>
> I should point out that my HV during standby or idle hovered between 79.5
> and 80.0 volts. I am using the Red tap wire on the 115-volt input.
>
> And, yes, I know not to use the amp on 60 or 30 meters.
>
> If anybody is going to yell at me for testing a 500-watt amp at 600 watts –
> and for proposing to use that much power routinely on 80 meter CW – let me
> know your reasoning and why or how you think that would stress the amp.
>
> Oh, and does anybody know if Elecraft would have adjusted the Power
> calibration (per band) of the KPA500 kit version, as mentioned in the User
> Manau? I found all the settings to be at their default 100%, FWIW. When
> comparing at 100 watts to a cheap external watt meter (which agreed with my
> TS-590sg power output setting), I found I had to increase power on almost
> every band to 104 watts to trip the 100-watt indication on the KPA500's
> wattmeters. I decided to leave the settings at their default.
>
> Rick N6IET
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