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Re: K2 VCO Alignment Issue

Posted by Don Wilhelm on Apr 30, 2019; 6:48pm
URL: http://elecraft.85.s1.nabble.com/K2-VCO-Alignment-Issue-tp7651214p7651284.html

John,

Where did the  TP1  frequency go after you removed a turn?

It is possible that the VFO frequency is not getting back to U4 pin 4 --
the signal goes from U3 pin 6 thru C62 and then to U4.

Did we verify that U6 pin 5 is near 4 volts?  What is the voltage at U4
pin 13?

Sorry to go over things, but I just returned from a few days away and my
memory is not yet focused.

73,,
Don W3FPR

On 4/28/2019 6:00 PM, John Wingard wrote:

> Don,
>
> Finally got back to the K2 this afternoon. I have confirmed that T5 is
> on the yellow core, with 16 turns through the center on the red and 4
> turns on the green. I mentioned earlier that I got all the toroids
> from the Toroid Guy, so I felt confident that it was correctly wound.
> I checked all the relay pins on K13, K14, and K15 and did not see any
> solder bridges on any of them. Next, I pulled T5 and removed one turn
> and re-installed. Unfortunately, nothing has changed. I'm still
> getting that same 8.37 V at R30. Incidentally, I'm getting the 8.37 V
> on either side of R30. Is that normal? I can also pull T5 and wind a
> new one with the parts that came with the kit if you think that might
> help, but something tells me that the problem lies elsewhere. I also
> thought about pulling C72 and replacing it with another one, but
> unfortunately there was only one of that value in the kit and I don't
> have anything like it it my parts stash. Any new thoughts?
>
> de John, WB4GLJ
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 6:00 PM Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     John,
>
>     Both frequencies are too low.
>     You have either too much capacitance or too much inductance in the
>     VFO.
>     Count the number of times the red wire goes through the center of
>     the T5
>     core - it should be 16.
>
>     Check relays K13, K14 and K15 for solder bridges.
>
>     Make sure the core of T5 is yellow.
>     You might have to try removing a turn from T5 if you can find no
>     other
>     cause - there have been a few K2s in the long past where the
>     permeability if the T5 core was higher than expected, and removing 1
>     turn from T5 corrected things - I have not seen that recently, but
>     I do
>     mention it 'just in case'.
>
>     If all else fails, you may have to "wind your way" through the relay
>     connections for the VFO Range Select area using the Relay Table on
>     the
>     Schematic Key page as your guide for the paths through the relays.
>
>     73,
>     Don W3FPR
>
>     On 4/27/2019 5:37 PM, John Wingard wrote:
>     > Hi Don,
>     >
>     > Thanks for the quick response. I did check C72 again. It is a 271
>     > value. I then spread the red turns on T5 as far as I could. I'd say
>     > they cover about 90+% of the toroid. I put the L30 slug at
>     mid-point
>     > of travel and measured voltage at R30 and it is still right at 8.37
>     > V.  While there I checked the frequency at TP1 and it was 8247.90,
>     > which is considerably lower than the 8913 that you expected.
>     >
>     > Next I went up to 7100 and measured the voltage at R30. Still
>     right at
>     > 8.37 V, no change. Frequency at TP1 @ 7100 was 11558.11.
>     >
>     > So, it appears that the frequency at 4000 is not within the
>     expected
>     > range, and likely not at 7100 as well. Hope this tells you
>     something
>     > because I'm stumped.
>     > I've got some plans for this evening so I may not get back on it
>     until
>     > tomorrow afternoon, but if you've got any more things for me to
>     try I
>     > will do them then.
>     >
>     > John, WB4GLJ
>     >
>     > On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 1:57 PM Don Wilhelm
>     <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>     > <mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>>
>     wrote:
>     >
>     >     John,
>     >
>     >     That high voltage is trying to reduce the capacity of the
>     varactors.
>     >     Which means there is either too much capacity or too much
>     >     inductance in
>     >     the circuit.
>     >
>     >     Check the value of C72 first - it should be marked "271".
>     Then set
>     >     the
>     >     L30 slug to about mid-position and spread the red turns of T5
>     >     enough so
>     >     the starting and ending turns are adjacent.  What is the
>     voltage when
>     >     tuned to 4000 kHz?  Measure the frequency at TP1 - it should
>     be near
>     >     8913 kHz.
>     >
>     >     Then change to 40 meters - 7100 kHz - What is the R30
>     voltage and
>     >     what
>     >     is the VFO frequency measured at TP1.
>     >
>     >     The answer to those questions will help in determining what
>     to do
>     >     next.
>     >
>     >     73,
>     >     Don W3FPR
>     >
>     >     On 4/27/2019 1:32 PM, John Wingard wrote:
>     >     > Working on my 2nd K2 (S/N 7869) and have run into a
>     problem with
>     >     the VCO
>     >     > alignment. I'm getting a constant 8.37 V at R30 at 4.000 MHz..
>     >     I cannot
>     >     > change it with the full range of L30. Correct type inductor is
>     >     installed at
>     >     > L30.  Dropping the VFO down to 3.500 doesn't change it
>     either. I
>     >     have gone
>     >     > back through the archives and read just about every post
>     >     concerning this
>     >     > problem but nothing I have tried has made any difference.
>     I have
>     >     double
>     >     > checked all correct parts placements and orientations,
>     re-flowed all
>     >     > connections in the quadrant of the board around the VCO
>     section.
>     >     T5 is
>     >     > wound as per the manual (from the Toroid Guy) and installed
>     >     correctly. I
>     >     > have tried both spreading and compressing the turns on T5 with
>     >     no change
>     >     > either way.
>     >     >
>     >     > Regarding the thermistor board,  I have 4.18 V on pin 5 of U6.
>     >     >
>     >     > Test in the previous section were within specs:
>     >     >
>     >     > 4 MHz Oscillator Cal using CAL FCTR was 12099.61 and confirmed
>     >     with an
>     >     > external counter.
>     >     > Range of the PLL reference oscillator: 12099.61 - 12086.01 =
>     >     13.59 kHz
>     >     > VCO oscillator test: 8162.60 MHz
>     >     >
>     >     > I'm about out of ideas at this point. What should I start
>     >     checking next?
>     >     >
>     >     > Thanks for any help!
>     >     >
>     >     > 73 de John, WB4GLJ
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