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Re: Inverted L for 160 meters

Posted by kevinr@coho.net on Aug 26, 2020; 12:31am
URL: http://elecraft.85.s1.nabble.com/Inverted-L-for-160-meters-tp7664325p7664335.html

I have to be very careful of raised wires on my property.  If they are
not above the height of an elk's antlers I am in trouble.  I plan to
bury them.  This is something I've never done before which has its own
merit.  I have plenty of wire scrap from broken antennas so the
non-resonant, buried radials work better for my circumstances.  I need
to calculate the feed point impedance to see if I need to design a balun
for the system to work.  Once my main project is done I'll have more
time for modeling each method.

    Thanks for all the ideas guys,

        73,  Kevin.  KD5ONS


On 8/25/20 5:23 PM, Wes wrote:

> You probably should get acquainted with Rudy Severns, N6LF.
> (https://www.antennasbyn6lf.com/)  He has written more than you ever
> want to know about vertical antennas,
>
> More specifically to your case, are you planning the radials to be
> elevated?  If so, they need to be the same length, in fact some effort
> should be made to get all of the currents the same.  The last thing
> you want is a fifty ohm feedpoint impedance with a shortened vertical
> (which is what an L is).  There is evidence that elevated radials are
> an improvement over on-the-ground or buried radials.  Mine are on the
> ground, mainly because 1) I didn't want to give up radiator height to
> raise the radials, 2) all of the big guns bury theirs and I don't have
> room for full length radials anyway in my cactus patch.  See my QRZ
> page for evidence.
>
> My modeling shows a little bit of directivity away from the horizontal
> wire, but it's negligible.
>
> Wes  N7WS
>
> On 8/25/2020 4:23 PM, kevinr wrote:
>> From what I can find, and what I can calculate, five wires, each ~130
>> feet long, could make a nice inverted L for 160 meters.  One leg for
>> the vertical and horizontal portion of the antenna.  Four legs for
>> the counterpoise (ground plane).  There are many broken wire antennas
>> stored in my shed which are fodder for the radials. Do all of the
>> legs for the counterpoise need to be 1/4 wavelength or can I
>> substitute some shorter lengths?  The feedpoint should somewhere
>> above 50 ohms impedance.  As I add more radials that number will
>> reach 50 ohms asymptotically.
>>
>> I can get the vertical part up to 70 or 80 feet above ground with the
>> rest of it horizontal.  Most of the radiation should take place from
>> the vertical part since it is closer to the feed point.  But there
>> should be some effect from the direction of the horizontal portion. 
>> How strongly does the direction of the horizontal portion effect the
>> radiation pattern of the antenna system?  My property allows me to
>> point it from 300 degrees around to 200 degrees so I have plenty of
>> options.  Between 200 and 300 degrees there is a road used by
>> loggers, and the folks maintaining the towers at the top of this
>> mountain.  They can break any antenna lower than 80 feet above
>> ground.  Spar poles and cranes clear out any dead limbs across the road.
>>
>> Inquiring minds...
>>
>> Kevin.  KD5ONS
>>
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