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Howard Sherer

will utility programs run on Apple Ipad os ?

Will any of the K3, KPA and KAT utility programs and remote programs run on
the new Apple Ipad os ?
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Re: will utility programs run on Apple Ipad os ?

Howard:

I’m not aware of a iOS program that manages Elecraft equipment directly. If you do a search on the App Store app found on the iPad, you can look at a program developed by KS7D that apparently interfaces with a PC that in turn accesses the Elecraft gear. However, it hasn’t been updated in over a year and it isn’t clear to me how compatible it is with iOS13.x.

In the case of the KPA500, an alternative might be to use the Remote Rig RR-1216H to attach to the serial port of the KPA500 and then access the RR-1216H through a web interface. I use the RR-1216H to manage the KPA500 and a second one to manage my Green Heron controller while operating remotely. The RR-1216H has a configuration specifically for the KPA500; as far as I know there isn’t a configuration for the KPA-1500. The RR-1216H can be accessed with any web browser platform such as the iPhone, iPad, Android, etc.

At this point the only ’true’ iPad app for controlling a transceiver and amplifier remotely is SmartSDR for IOS for the Flex-6000 series and their PGXL amplifier. I would expect that after the K4 is released, ’someone’ may develop a similar capability for the new Elecraft transceiver and associated equipment.

Hope this helps,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW
Keller, TX

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> the new Apple Ipad os ?
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Nr4c

Re: will utility programs run on Apple Ipad os ?

How do you plan to connect the iPad to the radio? The K3 typically connects thru a RS232 or USB port. Neither are available on an iPad.

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill

> On Nov 7, 2019, at 10:08 PM, Barry Baines via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Howard:
>
> I’m not aware of a iOS program that manages Elecraft equipment directly. If you do a search on the App Store app found on the iPad, you can look at a program developed by KS7D that apparently interfaces with a PC that in turn accesses the Elecraft gear. However, it hasn’t been updated in over a year and it isn’t clear to me how compatible it is with iOS13.x.
>
> In the case of the KPA500, an alternative might be to use the Remote Rig RR-1216H to attach to the serial port of the KPA500 and then access the RR-1216H through a web interface. I use the RR-1216H to manage the KPA500 and a second one to manage my Green Heron controller while operating remotely. The RR-1216H has a configuration specifically for the KPA500; as far as I know there isn’t a configuration for the KPA-1500. The RR-1216H can be accessed with any web browser platform such as the iPhone, iPad, Android, etc.
>
> At this point the only ’true’ iPad app for controlling a transceiver and amplifier remotely is SmartSDR for IOS for the Flex-6000 series and their PGXL amplifier. I would expect that after the K4 is released, ’someone’ may develop a similar capability for the new Elecraft transceiver and associated equipment.
>
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Barry Baines, WD4ASW
> Keller, TX
>
>> On Nov 7, 2019, at 2:34 PM, Howard Sherer <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Will any of the K3, KPA and KAT utility programs and remote programs run on
>> the new Apple Ipad os ?
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Tox

Re: will utility programs run on Apple Ipad os ?

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For K4, Eric was hoping an iOS dev would come forth to do a client for
them, as he doesn't have time to do it. The "iPad" in the k4 remote
demos is sadly actually a Surface.

Scott
AD6YT

On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 7:06 PM Barry Baines via Elecraft
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>
> Howard:
>
> I’m not aware of a iOS program that manages Elecraft equipment directly. If you do a search on the App Store app found on the iPad, you can look at a program developed by KS7D that apparently interfaces with a PC that in turn accesses the Elecraft gear. However, it hasn’t been updated in over a year and it isn’t clear to me how compatible it is with iOS13.x.
>
> In the case of the KPA500, an alternative might be to use the Remote Rig RR-1216H to attach to the serial port of the KPA500 and then access the RR-1216H through a web interface. I use the RR-1216H to manage the KPA500 and a second one to manage my Green Heron controller while operating remotely. The RR-1216H has a configuration specifically for the KPA500; as far as I know there isn’t a configuration for the KPA-1500. The RR-1216H can be accessed with any web browser platform such as the iPhone, iPad, Android, etc.
>
> At this point the only ’true’ iPad app for controlling a transceiver and amplifier remotely is SmartSDR for IOS for the Flex-6000 series and their PGXL amplifier. I would expect that after the K4 is released, ’someone’ may develop a similar capability for the new Elecraft transceiver and associated equipment.
>
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Barry Baines, WD4ASW
> Keller, TX
>
> > On Nov 7, 2019, at 2:34 PM, Howard Sherer <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Will any of the K3, KPA and KAT utility programs and remote programs run on
> > the new Apple Ipad os ?
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Re: will utility programs run on Apple Ipad os ?

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Bill:

> On Nov 8, 2019, at 3:17 AM, Nr4c <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> How do you plan to connect the iPad to the radio? The K3 typically connects thru a RS232 or USB port. Neither are available on an iPad.

Is your question direct at me? in your reply, I’m the ’to’ addressee and Howard is the ‘info’ addressee so I’m presuming that your query is meant for me.

As I indicated, there isn’t a way to connect the iPad directly to an Elecraft device. The only examples I provided are 1) adding a web interface to the KAT500 in order to control it through the RR-1216H and 2) using an iPad App that interacts with a PC. Of course, there are other ways to control a PC remotely with an iPAD such as by using TeamViewer or VNCViewer.

I can’t speak for Howard, but his query is presumably based upon a desired result without necessarily coming up with a solution on how it would be done. I’d be thrilled if Remote Rig offered more options for the RR-1216H to control the KAT500 or even the K3. A web interface attached to the device in question through RS-232 gets around a number of issues, including serial-to-ethernet conversion, avoiding the need to run Windows PC programs (Elecraft utilities of various flavors), and opens the door for using smartphones, tablets, MacOS computers, etc. to access Elecraft devices. Given that I run my HF station remotely for the vast amount of time that I use it, making it easier to access it without having to run Windows either in the shack or where I’m located significantly enhances and simplifies the management of my remote system. The K3/IO-mini certainly enhances the remote capability of controlling a K3, but it is only one part of the station architecture that an operator has to manage for full remote functionality.

I’m presuming that when the K4 is released that it will be the start of a pathway for Elecraft to provide simplified remote access as well. That said, there are presumably scads of existing Elecraft devices in service that their owners would benefit from new product offerings that provide a web interface.

73,

Barry, WD4ASW
Keller, TX

>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
>> On Nov 7, 2019, at 10:08 PM, Barry Baines via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Howard:
>>
>> I’m not aware of a iOS program that manages Elecraft equipment directly. If you do a search on the App Store app found on the iPad, you can look at a program developed by KS7D that apparently interfaces with a PC that in turn accesses the Elecraft gear. However, it hasn’t been updated in over a year and it isn’t clear to me how compatible it is with iOS13.x.
>>
>> In the case of the KPA500, an alternative might be to use the Remote Rig RR-1216H to attach to the serial port of the KPA500 and then access the RR-1216H through a web interface. I use the RR-1216H to manage the KPA500 and a second one to manage my Green Heron controller while operating remotely. The RR-1216H has a configuration specifically for the KPA500; as far as I know there isn’t a configuration for the KPA-1500. The RR-1216H can be accessed with any web browser platform such as the iPhone, iPad, Android, etc.
>>
>> At this point the only ’true’ iPad app for controlling a transceiver and amplifier remotely is SmartSDR for IOS for the Flex-6000 series and their PGXL amplifier. I would expect that after the K4 is released, ’someone’ may develop a similar capability for the new Elecraft transceiver and associated equipment.
>>
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>>
>> Barry Baines, WD4ASW
>> Keller, TX
>>
>>> On Nov 7, 2019, at 2:34 PM, Howard Sherer <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Will any of the K3, KPA and KAT utility programs and remote programs run on
>>> the new Apple Ipad os ?
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M0XDF

Re: will utility programs run on Apple Ipad os ?

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Bill, USB is possible, if you buy the Apple adapters - you need the lighting to the old style (30 pin) connector and then the SD card reader, which comes with a USB adapter, which both have 30 pin connectors.

It is (or was) then possible to run some apps to control rigs, but I don’t know if a Elecraft compatible protocol is available.

73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)

> On 8 Nov 2019, at 09:17, Nr4c <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> How do you plan to connect the iPad to the radio? The K3 typically connects thru a RS232 or USB port. Neither are available on an iPad.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
>> On Nov 7, 2019, at 10:08 PM, Barry Baines via Elecraft <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>
>> Howard:
>>
>> I’m not aware of a iOS program that manages Elecraft equipment directly. If you do a search on the App Store app found on the iPad, you can look at a program developed by KS7D that apparently interfaces with a PC that in turn accesses the Elecraft gear. However, it hasn’t been updated in over a year and it isn’t clear to me how compatible it is with iOS13.x.
>>
>> In the case of the KPA500, an alternative might be to use the Remote Rig RR-1216H to attach to the serial port of the KPA500 and then access the RR-1216H through a web interface. I use the RR-1216H to manage the KPA500 and a second one to manage my Green Heron controller while operating remotely. The RR-1216H has a configuration specifically for the KPA500; as far as I know there isn’t a configuration for the KPA-1500. The RR-1216H can be accessed with any web browser platform such as the iPhone, iPad, Android, etc.
>>
>> At this point the only ’true’ iPad app for controlling a transceiver and amplifier remotely is SmartSDR for IOS for the Flex-6000 series and their PGXL amplifier. I would expect that after the K4 is released, ’someone’ may develop a similar capability for the new Elecraft transceiver and associated equipment.
>>
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>>
>> Barry Baines, WD4ASW
>> Keller, TX
>>
>>> On Nov 7, 2019, at 2:34 PM, Howard Sherer <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Will any of the K3, KPA and KAT utility programs and remote programs run on
>>> the new Apple Ipad os ?
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Rick Bates, NK7I

Re: will utility programs run on Apple Ipad os ?

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With a linux computer built into the K4, the door is open for wifi (or
bluetooth) access to an iOS device (or a standard computer). Unless
Elecraft designed their own motherboard, it's likely already available
on the board they're using and if they did roll their own, it may be in
the chip set chosen for the wired access. Wayne and team aren't
ignorant in this want and have done a good job of looking forward when
designing.

I expect a developer to step up at some point to make this 'simple' BUT
it may only allow K4 access, not logbook, rotator, tuner, amplifier
(etc) control. That would mean more non-wired access.

The the K3 line, I use TeamViewer to access the computer controlling the
station from any platform I have at hand (and Skype for audio, if CW or
phone). This includes my iOS devices. Sometimes the most direct path is
the simplest.

73,
Rick nk7i

On 11/8/2019 1:17 AM, Nr4c wrote:
> How do you plan to connect the iPad to the radio? The K3 typically connects thru a RS232 or USB port. Neither are available on an iPad.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
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Grant Youngman-2

Re: will utility programs run on Apple Ipad os ?

They’ve already demonstrated wifi K4 control from a pad computer — might have been a WIndows thingy, but I’m pretty sure Elecraft indicated there would be an iOS version. Everything is just “a few lines of code”, as they say .. :-) :-)

But a question I have is whether at some point the K4 will have an integrated wireless adapter .. so I can connect it to my existing network (without a cable connection to my router which isn’t in the radio room), and run it from my Mac in the living room. That would be ideal ...

Grant NQ5T

> On Nov 8, 2019, at 1:06 PM, Rick Bates, NK7I <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> With a linux computer built into the K4, the door is open for wifi (or bluetooth) access to an iOS device (or a standard computer). Unless Elecraft designed their own motherboard, it's likely already available on the board they're using and if they did roll their own, it may be in the chip set chosen for the wired access. Wayne and team aren't ignorant in this want and have done a good job of looking forward when designing.
>
> I expect a developer to step up at some point to make this 'simple' BUT it may only allow K4 access, not logbook, rotator, tuner, amplifier (etc) control. That would mean more non-wired access.
>
> The the K3 line, I use TeamViewer to access the computer controlling the station from any platform I have at hand (and Skype for audio, if CW or phone). This includes my iOS devices. Sometimes the most direct path is the simplest.
>
> 73,
> Rick nk7i
>
>

Nr4c

Re: will utility programs run on Apple Ipad os ?

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My question want meant for a single person, but to all. I was asking how to connect it all together. I’m hoping for an iOS app.
And I have used a Z”Pig thingy” to connect to my KX3. Worked rather well.

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill

> On Nov 8, 2019, at 10:40 AM, Barry Baines <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Bill:
>
>
>
>> On Nov 8, 2019, at 3:17 AM, Nr4c <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> How do you plan to connect the iPad to the radio? The K3 typically connects thru a RS232 or USB port. Neither are available on an iPad.
>
>
> Is your question direct at me? in your reply, I’m the ’to’ addressee and Howard is the ‘info’ addressee so I’m presuming that your query is meant for me.
>
> As I indicated, there isn’t a way to connect the iPad directly to an Elecraft device. The only examples I provided are 1) adding a web interface to the KAT500 in order to control it through the RR-1216H and 2) using an iPad App that interacts with a PC. Of course, there are other ways to control a PC remotely with an iPAD such as by using TeamViewer or VNCViewer.
>
> I can’t speak for Howard, but his query is presumably based upon a desired result without necessarily coming up with a solution on how it would be done. I’d be thrilled if Remote Rig offered more options for the RR-1216H to control the KAT500 or even the K3. A web interface attached to the device in question through RS-232 gets around a number of issues, including serial-to-ethernet conversion, avoiding the need to run Windows PC programs (Elecraft utilities of various flavors), and opens the door for using smartphones, tablets, MacOS computers, etc. to access Elecraft devices. Given that I run my HF station remotely for the vast amount of time that I use it, making it easier to access it without having to run Windows either in the shack or where I’m located significantly enhances and simplifies the management of my remote system. The K3/IO-mini certainly enhances the remote capability of controlling a K3, but it is only one part of the station architecture that an operator has to manage for full remote functionality.
>
> I’m presuming that when the K4 is released that it will be the start of a pathway for Elecraft to provide simplified remote access as well. That said, there are presumably scads of existing Elecraft devices in service that their owners would benefit from new product offerings that provide a web interface.
>
>
> 73,
>
> Barry, WD4ASW
> Keller, TX
>
>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ...nr4c. bill
>>
>>
>>>> On Nov 7, 2019, at 10:08 PM, Barry Baines via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Howard:
>>>
>>> I’m not aware of a iOS program that manages Elecraft equipment directly. If you do a search on the App Store app found on the iPad, you can look at a program developed by KS7D that apparently interfaces with a PC that in turn accesses the Elecraft gear. However, it hasn’t been updated in over a year and it isn’t clear to me how compatible it is with iOS13.x.
>>>
>>> In the case of the KPA500, an alternative might be to use the Remote Rig RR-1216H to attach to the serial port of the KPA500 and then access the RR-1216H through a web interface. I use the RR-1216H to manage the KPA500 and a second one to manage my Green Heron controller while operating remotely. The RR-1216H has a configuration specifically for the KPA500; as far as I know there isn’t a configuration for the KPA-1500. The RR-1216H can be accessed with any web browser platform such as the iPhone, iPad, Android, etc.
>>>
>>> At this point the only ’true’ iPad app for controlling a transceiver and amplifier remotely is SmartSDR for IOS for the Flex-6000 series and their PGXL amplifier. I would expect that after the K4 is released, ’someone’ may develop a similar capability for the new Elecraft transceiver and associated equipment.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hope this helps,
>>>
>>> Barry Baines, WD4ASW
>>> Keller, TX
>>>
>>>> On Nov 7, 2019, at 2:34 PM, Howard Sherer <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Will any of the K3, KPA and KAT utility programs and remote programs run on
>>>> the new Apple Ipad os ?
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