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riese-k3djc

win 7 32/64 bit

Gang

looking to do an upgrade and they tell me that win 7 is finally working
so my question is will the non commercial programs do OK with win 7/64
bit
,,, argo et all. FLDIGI and other uhh ham software. Should I stick wit,
win 7 32 bit ??

Bob K3DJC
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: win 7 32/64 bit

Bob,

There are going to be some ham applications that will not work with Win7
at all (either 32 bit or 64 bit).

If you have an XP computer available, maybe now is the time to make it
the dedicated hamshack computer which will free you to use the Win7
computer for non-ham related work.
I for one will not likely upgrade to Win7 anytime in the near future.
Not only am I happy with WinXP, but I have 6 computers on the home
network, and upgrading them would be quite expensive. I am considering
an "upgrade" to Ubuntu if I can get Samba to talk both ways between my
Windows network and the SMB shares, but my ham station computer will
continue to run Win XP because of the number of ham applications that
run on it. If you want to try out Ubuntu, release 10 is now available,
and there is a "Win Ubuntu" version that you can load as a dual boot
with the Windows OS.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/4/2011 3:50 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

> Gang
>
> looking to do an upgrade and they tell me that win 7 is finally working
> so my question is will the non commercial programs do OK with win 7/64
> bit
> ,,, argo et all. FLDIGI and other uhh ham software. Should I stick wit,
> win 7 32 bit ??
>
> Bob K3DJC
> ____________________________________________________________
> Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance
> If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program
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Chester Alderman

Re: win 7 32/64 bit

This is probably the first time (and quite possibly the last time) I will
have to disagree with Don's advice!

I built my own PC (all 5 of them) and just about as soon as Win 7 came out,
I purchased and loaded Win 7 Professional 64-bit op-system on my PC. I
successfully run N1MM Logger, YPlog (a very old program), any K3 or P3
utility, telnet, reverse beacon network, Skimmer,....in other words so far I
have found no ham related programs that will not run under Win 7. There may
be some, but I haven't found any yet. Lot of folks like to run other
operating systems, stating that they are so much better than Windows -- and
that may be so. However if you want to use a PC for your ham station, there
is no true reason to NOT use Windows and doing so allows you to continue to
enjoy using ham programs and not divert a lot of your time trying to find
drivers to make the ham programs to work.

Just my opinion after being in computers since the early 70's.

Tom - W4BQF

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 6:05 PM
To: [hidden email]
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] win 7 32/64 bit

Bob,

There are going to be some ham applications that will not work with Win7
at all (either 32 bit or 64 bit).

If you have an XP computer available, maybe now is the time to make it
the dedicated hamshack computer which will free you to use the Win7
computer for non-ham related work.
I for one will not likely upgrade to Win7 anytime in the near future.
Not only am I happy with WinXP, but I have 6 computers on the home
network, and upgrading them would be quite expensive. I am considering
an "upgrade" to Ubuntu if I can get Samba to talk both ways between my
Windows network and the SMB shares, but my ham station computer will
continue to run Win XP because of the number of ham applications that
run on it. If you want to try out Ubuntu, release 10 is now available,
and there is a "Win Ubuntu" version that you can load as a dual boot
with the Windows OS.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/4/2011 3:50 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

Mike Reublin

Re: win 7 32/64 bit

In reply to this post by riese-k3djc

Unless there is a really compelling reason to change, I'd stick to XP.

Win7 tightens down the screws, especially if you like to crawl around in the system
and poke things.

Since NT, MS has suggested that it's not good to write to files under the program
files directory, but didn't enforce it. Now they do, and some software authors either
were not aware of that or choose to kludge around it. So the answer to whether a
program will be happy in Win7 (and vice versa) is...... maybe.

Another difference: In previous incarnations, you could create folders and shortcuts
in the Start menu, and move stuff around so it looked like you wanted it to look.
Almost impossible now.

I know at some point I'll have to change, but I'm very forcibly dragging my heels.

My $.02 worth. May be worth less..... :-D

73, Mike NF4L

On 1/4/2011 3:50 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

Don Wilhelm-4

Re: win 7 32/64 bit

In reply to this post by Chester Alderman

I cannot disagree with Tommy if you are using the applications that he
has mentioned. But if you are dependent on Spectrogram, or SpectrumLab,
or other applications that are no longer supported (or are not updated
for Win7), then you will be forced to dedicate a WinXP computer to the
ham station.

This is application dependent - some work, and some do not. Make your
decisions and accept the consequences.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/4/2011 6:39 PM, Tommy Alderman wrote:

> This is probably the first time (and quite possibly the last time) I will
> have to disagree with Don's advice!
>
> I built my own PC (all 5 of them) and just about as soon as Win 7 came out,
> I purchased and loaded Win 7 Professional 64-bit op-system on my PC. I
> successfully run N1MM Logger, YPlog (a very old program), any K3 or P3
> utility, telnet, reverse beacon network, Skimmer,....in other words so far I
> have found no ham related programs that will not run under Win 7. There may
> be some, but I haven't found any yet. Lot of folks like to run other
> operating systems, stating that they are so much better than Windows -- and
> that may be so. However if you want to use a PC for your ham station, there
> is no true reason to NOT use Windows and doing so allows you to continue to
> enjoy using ham programs and not divert a lot of your time trying to find
> drivers to make the ham programs to work.
>
> Just my opinion after being in computers since the early 70's.
>
> Tom - W4BQF
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 6:05 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] win 7 32/64 bit
>
> Bob,
>
> There are going to be some ham applications that will not work with Win7
> at all (either 32 bit or 64 bit).
>
> If you have an XP computer available, maybe now is the time to make it
> the dedicated hamshack computer which will free you to use the Win7
> computer for non-ham related work.
> I for one will not likely upgrade to Win7 anytime in the near future.
> Not only am I happy with WinXP, but I have 6 computers on the home
> network, and upgrading them would be quite expensive. I am considering
> an "upgrade" to Ubuntu if I can get Samba to talk both ways between my
> Windows network and the SMB shares, but my ham station computer will
> continue to run Win XP because of the number of ham applications that
> run on it. If you want to try out Ubuntu, release 10 is now available,
> and there is a "Win Ubuntu" version that you can load as a dual boot
> with the Windows OS.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 1/4/2011 3:50 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>> Gang
>>
>> looking to do an upgrade and they tell me that win 7 is finally working
>> so my question is will the non commercial programs do OK with win 7/64
>> bit
>> ,,, argo et all. FLDIGI and other uhh ham software. Should I stick wit,
>> win 7 32 bit ??
>>
>> Bob K3DJC
>> ____________________________________________________________
>> Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance
>> If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program
>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d238b9fdc50810e90bm03vuc
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roncasa

Re: win 7 32/64 bit

In reply to this post by Mike Reublin

Bob,

if you are that concerned about windose, why not look into Linux. Both
32 and 64 bit.
The Linux system comes in different flavors with more popular ones being
Ubuntu, LinuxMint, Fedora.

Google "distro watch" and view the complete list.
You can download any os and try it without install onto your hard drive
(this is called "live").
This way, you can determine which one is good for you.

Install is as easy as abc. That's because you do not need "drivers" to
install afterwards.
The "drivers" are already in the Linux kernal.
You then install Linux side by side with windose. This is called duo
boot. You chose which os you want to use.
There are also many ham radio apps in Linux and some do a bang-up job.

The best part of Linux is, it's more secure! No viruses to worry about
like in windose!
You can use it on older (dedicated ham use) PC's (the other one won't
run at all) and it's cost effective.

hope this helps,

72
Ron, wb1hga
"there is freedom of choice in open source software as opposed to
proprietary.
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N5GE

Re: win 7 32/64 bit

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Don et al,

You can run anything that runs on XP on Win 7 by installing an XP virtual
machine on the computer. It's a free download from Microsoft's web site and you
can have your choice of the 64 bit or 32bit version. You don't have to dual
boot, and it won't run unless you start it up from the Win 7 menu, or you can
set it up so that it runs when win 7 boots up.

No need to mess with all that other add-on stuff or have two computers in the
shack.

73,

Tom Childers
Radio Amateur N5GE
Licensed since 1976
QCWA Life Member 35102
ARRL Life Member
Retired Professional
C# Software developer
http://www.n5ge.net

On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 18:05:16 -0500, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Bob,
>
>There are going to be some ham applications that will not work with Win7
>at all (either 32 bit or 64 bit).
>
>If you have an XP computer available, maybe now is the time to make it
>the dedicated hamshack computer which will free you to use the Win7
>computer for non-ham related work.
>I for one will not likely upgrade to Win7 anytime in the near future.
>Not only am I happy with WinXP, but I have 6 computers on the home
>network, and upgrading them would be quite expensive. I am considering
>an "upgrade" to Ubuntu if I can get Samba to talk both ways between my
>Windows network and the SMB shares, but my ham station computer will
>continue to run Win XP because of the number of ham applications that
>run on it. If you want to try out Ubuntu, release 10 is now available,
>and there is a "Win Ubuntu" version that you can load as a dual boot
>with the Windows OS.
>
>73,
>Don W3FPR
>

[snip]

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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: win 7 32/64 bit

Tom,

That is good information, but actually, my choice is to have 2 computers
- one for the shack and one for other personal stuff like email and
documents. Computers have become a commodity item - you can buy a
refurbished PC loaded with WinXP pro for less than $200. More than
adequate for running the hamshack.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/4/2011 8:42 PM, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE wrote:

> Don et al,
>
> You can run anything that runs on XP on Win 7 by installing an XP virtual
> machine on the computer. It's a free download from Microsoft's web site and you
> can have your choice of the 64 bit or 32bit version. You don't have to dual
> boot, and it won't run unless you start it up from the Win 7 menu, or you can
> set it up so that it runs when win 7 boots up.
>
> No need to mess with all that other add-on stuff or have two computers in the
> shack.
>
> 73,
>
> Tom Childers
> Radio Amateur N5GE
> Licensed since 1976
> QCWA Life Member 35102
> ARRL Life Member
> Retired Professional
> C# Software developer
> http://www.n5ge.net
>
>
> On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 18:05:16 -0500, Don Wilhelm<[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Bob,
>>
>> There are going to be some ham applications that will not work with Win7
>> at all (either 32 bit or 64 bit).
>>
>> If you have an XP computer available, maybe now is the time to make it
>> the dedicated hamshack computer which will free you to use the Win7
>> computer for non-ham related work.
>> I for one will not likely upgrade to Win7 anytime in the near future.
>> Not only am I happy with WinXP, but I have 6 computers on the home
>> network, and upgrading them would be quite expensive. I am considering
>> an "upgrade" to Ubuntu if I can get Samba to talk both ways between my
>> Windows network and the SMB shares, but my ham station computer will
>> continue to run Win XP because of the number of ham applications that
>> run on it. If you want to try out Ubuntu, release 10 is now available,
>> and there is a "Win Ubuntu" version that you can load as a dual boot
>> with the Windows OS.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
> [snip]
>
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Randy Moore

Re: win 7 32/64 bit

In reply to this post by Don Wilhelm-4

I recently upgraded to a Win 7 (Home Premium) 64-bit machine and am successfully running Spectrogram 16, N1MM, HRD, LP-Bridge, PowerSDR/IF, and WinRadHD.

Randy, KS4L
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Tony Estep

Re: win 7 32/64 bit

<snip> "...so far I have found no ham related programs that will not run
under Win 7...."
--------------------
Yep, I have two Win 7 machines and have generally had excellent results.
There still are some pieces of hardware (e.g. M-Audio studio sound
interfaces) for which the Win 7 drivers either don't exist or exist but
don't work. And I do know of one piece of Ham-related software that won't
run under Win 7, viz. the Dimension 4 time interface. This is used by
weak-signal guys (WSPR, JT65, etc.) to sync the PC to the Bureau of
Standards time. Win 7 has a built-in gadget to do it, and apparently won't
give other programs access to set the clock. With adequate hacking, Vista
can be forced to allow D4 to run, but it was really written for XP and
hasn't been updated.

With certain computers, it is not as easy as it sounds to keep your clock
accurate to within a fraction of a second, because the on-board clock may
drift quite a bit and have to be reset constantly; and unfortunately, Win 7
does not have a setting (at least not one I can find) that allows the user
to increase the frequency of syncing the clock to a standard.

Anyway, other than the above-mentioned glitches, Win 7 runs fine and is IMHO
more likable than XP.

Tony KT0NY
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Dave Hachadorian

Re: win 7 32/64 bit

Writelog won't drive an LPT Port under Win7/64. If you need the
A/B signal or band info, or any of the other LPT stuff, you are
out of luck.

Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Estep
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 8:22 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] win 7 32/64 bit

<snip> "...so far I have found no ham related programs that will
not run
under Win 7...."
--------------------
Yep, I have two Win 7 machines and have generally had excellent
results.
There still are some pieces of hardware (e.g. M-Audio studio
sound
interfaces) for which the Win 7 drivers either don't exist or
exist but
don't work. And I do know of one piece of Ham-related software
that won't
run under Win 7, viz. the Dimension 4 time interface. This is
used by
weak-signal guys (WSPR, JT65, etc.) to sync the PC to the Bureau
of
Standards time. Win 7 has a built-in gadget to do it, and
apparently won't
give other programs access to set the clock. With adequate
hacking, Vista
can be forced to allow D4 to run, but it was really written for
XP and
hasn't been updated.

With certain computers, it is not as easy as it sounds to keep
your clock
accurate to within a fraction of a second, because the on-board
clock may
drift quite a bit and have to be reset constantly; and
unfortunately, Win 7
does not have a setting (at least not one I can find) that allows
the user
to increase the frequency of syncing the clock to a standard.

Anyway, other than the above-mentioned glitches, Win 7 runs fine
and is IMHO
more likable than XP.

Tony KT0NY
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: win 7 32/64 bit

On 1/4/2011 11:41 PM, Dave Hachadorian wrote:
> Writelog won't drive an LPT Port under Win7/64. If you need the
> A/B signal or band info, or any of the other LPT stuff, you are
> out of luck.

True. However, N1MM Logger, Win-Test, DX4Win, DXLab Suite,
MMTTY (FSK via EXTFSK), and MMVARI (FSK via EXTFSK) will all
work with an LPT in Windows 7/64 (including PCI/PCI-e add-in
cards). In addition, there are other hardware approaches for
A/B signal, band info or the other "SO2R stuff" that are more
reliable and do not require an LPT.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

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Bob Naumann W5OV

Re: win 7 32/64 bit

In reply to this post by Chester Alderman

For what it's worth, I'm running Win 7 Pro 32 bit and I have not found any
programs that will not run.

Everything I use runs better than it did in WinXP. I give Win 7 an "A".

The key is to do everything "as administrator" which probably violates all
MS security designs, but since I am administrator, I don't give a rip.

73,

Bob W5OV

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Tommy Alderman
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 5:39 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] win 7 32/64 bit

This is probably the first time (and quite possibly the last time) I will
have to disagree with Don's advice!

I built my own PC (all 5 of them) and just about as soon as Win 7 came out,
I purchased and loaded Win 7 Professional 64-bit op-system on my PC. I
successfully run N1MM Logger, YPlog (a very old program), any K3 or P3
utility, telnet, reverse beacon network, Skimmer,....in other words so far I
have found no ham related programs that will not run under Win 7. There may
be some, but I haven't found any yet. Lot of folks like to run other
operating systems, stating that they are so much better than Windows -- and
that may be so. However if you want to use a PC for your ham station, there
is no true reason to NOT use Windows and doing so allows you to continue to
enjoy using ham programs and not divert a lot of your time trying to find
drivers to make the ham programs to work.

Just my opinion after being in computers since the early 70's.

Tom - W4BQF

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 6:05 PM
To: [hidden email]
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] win 7 32/64 bit

Bob,

There are going to be some ham applications that will not work with Win7
at all (either 32 bit or 64 bit).

If you have an XP computer available, maybe now is the time to make it
the dedicated hamshack computer which will free you to use the Win7
computer for non-ham related work.
I for one will not likely upgrade to Win7 anytime in the near future.
Not only am I happy with WinXP, but I have 6 computers on the home
network, and upgrading them would be quite expensive. I am considering
an "upgrade" to Ubuntu if I can get Samba to talk both ways between my
Windows network and the SMB shares, but my ham station computer will
continue to run Win XP because of the number of ham applications that
run on it. If you want to try out Ubuntu, release 10 is now available,
and there is a "Win Ubuntu" version that you can load as a dual boot
with the Windows OS.

73,
Don W3FPR

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n0jrn

Re: win 7 32/64 bit

In reply to this post by riese-k3djc

OK, I see there are a lot of happy Win 7 folks on this subject so I'll take a minute and see
if any of you can help with this Win 7 issue.

I'm running Win 7 Home premium 64 bit. It works great for most things.

I one issue I've run into and haven't been able to resolve?

When I'm running HRD, I can't connect to QRZ or the DX windows. Heck, I can't even register
the software. I can't hook to any I/O ports because Windows permissions is blocking me.

I've been reading everything I can find and have tried many different things to get around this
but haven't found the answer.

SO, can any of you pro Win 7 folks point me in the right direction??

Any help would be appreciated

73 Jerry N0JRN
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Mike Reublin

Re: win 7 32/64 bit

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Ron,

I thought I'd try Linux, so I installed "Julia Mint" on my older (2.1 Celeron)
flaptop. I cannot get it to connect to the internet. I had a LOOOOOONG exchange on
the Mint groups, and no joy. It only fills a portion of the screen. The download was
very long, and it was a real trial to burn the ISO.

Now I find that apparently there's no way to un-install it.

For all the talk of the superiority of 'open source' software, I find it's quirky and
un-supported, and the development and bug-fixing is too diverse to be effective. When
I buy a car, I don't want to have to wind the armature for the starter motor before I
can drive home. :-D

If you have any hints for getting it going I'd like to hear from you (off list).

73, Mike NF4L

On 1/4/2011 7:36 PM, tuxman wrote:

> Bob,
>
> if you are that concerned about windose, why not look into Linux. Both 32 and 64 bit.
> The Linux system comes in different flavors with more popular ones being Ubuntu,
> LinuxMint, Fedora.
>
> Google "distro watch" and view the complete list.
> You can download any os and try it without install onto your hard drive (this is
> called "live").
> This way, you can determine which one is good for you.
>
> Install is as easy as abc. That's because you do not need "drivers" to install
> afterwards.
> The "drivers" are already in the Linux kernal.
> You then install Linux side by side with windose. This is called duo boot. You
> chose which os you want to use.
> There are also many ham radio apps in Linux and some do a bang-up job.
>
> The best part of Linux is, it's more secure! No viruses to worry about like in
> windose!
> You can use it on older (dedicated ham use) PC's (the other one won't run at all)
> and it's cost effective.
>
>
> hope this helps,
>
> 72
> Ron, wb1hga
> "there is freedom of choice in open source software as opposed to proprietary.
>

Paul-285

Re: win 7 32/64 bit

In reply to this post by roncasa

This has also been my experience.

The ubuntu Dual Boot installation works great.

Or you can run ubuntu off a CD.

No anti virus needed for ubuntu.

You can get used to ubuntu but still have Windows.

Paul N4LCD

>Bob,
>
>if you are that concerned about windose, why not look into Linux. Both
>32 and 64 bit.
>The Linux system comes in different flavors with more popular ones being
>Ubuntu, LinuxMint, Fedora.
>
>Google "distro watch" and view the complete list.
>You can download any os and try it without install onto your hard drive
>(this is called "live").
>This way, you can determine which one is good for you.
>
>Install is as easy as abc. That's because you do not need "drivers" to
>install afterwards.
>The "drivers" are already in the Linux kernal.
>You then install Linux side by side with windose. This is called duo
>boot. You chose which os you want to use.
>There are also many ham radio apps in Linux and some do a bang-up job.
>
>The best part of Linux is, it's more secure! No viruses to worry about
>like in windose!
>You can use it on older (dedicated ham use) PC's (the other one won't
>run at all) and it's cost effective.
>
>hope this helps,
>
>72
>Ron, wb1hga

John Ragle

Re: win 7 32/64 bit ... caution needed...

As a long-time Unix and Linux user, I have the following comments...

1. It is indeed possible to have a dual-boot machine running both WIN
(e.g. WIN 7 or WIN XP) and Linux.

1a. The bootstrap loader ("GRUB") is not easy to remove, and I would
highly recommend you have a complete bit-image (not just a data-file
backup!!!) copy of your original, functional, system, including programs
and OS, before you try to install Linux.

2. Some amateur radio programs (e.g. FLDIGI) have very good versions
that run under Linux.

3. Some UBUNTU distributions load and run on my particular machines
(usually I use a Dell XPS 420 running WIN 7 Ultimate (32 bit)), and
others do not load properly. In particular, the last Ubuntu distribution
that I was able to load and use successfully ON THIS MACHINE was
10.04.1. This seems to be somewhat dependent on the machine.

4. Various Red Hat (Fedora, etc) distributions work, but are a tiny bit
more difficult to install and extend.

5. It is not true that there are no virus issues with Linux. There are
specific Linux viruses, but since Linux is much less popular than
Windows, the creeps that write such malware have paid less attention to
it than to Windows. I speak from the experience of having to rebuild a
Linux OS that was virus-infected. Vide:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_malware

6. "Drivers" are still an issue. Ubuntu 10.04.1 would not recognize my
sound cards on the Dell XPS. This is disastrous for programs that
utilize a sound card for AFSK, etc. Red Hat's distribution would. Go
figure.

In the best of all possible worlds, Linux is fine. It is small, very
reliable, almost virus-free, and when used with a windowing shell, it is
almost like a Windows OS. The main problem you might encounter is that
there is a paucity of applications for Linux, for the same reason that
the malware builders don't spend much time on Linux.

If you try to operate from a console window in Linux, you are faced with
the same situation as with Unix...the command structure is quite
different, and there is a bit of a learning curve. The situation is not
as utopian as is sometimes said. Be prepared, in the worst case, to
rebuild your Windows from scratch (i.e. from your bit-image backup). It
is not too hard to get into a situation where a machine won't boot at
all without some outside help.

John Ragle -- W1ZI

=====

On 1/5/2011 11:16 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
> This has also been my experience. The ubuntu Dual Boot installation works great.
> Or you can run ubuntu off a CD. No anti virus needed for ubuntu. You can get used to ubuntu but still have Windows...
Ron, WB1HGA also wrote
>> Bob,
>>
>> if you are that concerned about windose, why not look into Linux. Both
>> 32 and 64 bit. The Linux system comes in different flavors with more popular ones being Ubuntu, LinuxMint, Fedora.
>>
>> You then install Linux side by side with windose. This is called duo
>> boot. You chose which os you want to use.

>> The best part of Linux is, it's more secure! No viruses to worry about
>> like in windose!

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Re: win 7 32/64 bit ... caution needed...

John,

You are correct, GRUB is difficult to remove, In the past, I have given
up and just format the hard drive and then re-load.

However, I recently discovered on the Ubuntu website a loader that loads
Ubuntu in a Windows computer. It can be removed with Windows Add/Remove
Programs. It seems to be a clean way to go for those who want to try
Ubuntu.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/5/2011 12:28 PM, John Ragle wrote:

> As a long-time Unix and Linux user, I have the following comments...
>
> 1. It is indeed possible to have a dual-boot machine running both WIN
> (e.g. WIN 7 or WIN XP) and Linux.
>
> 1a. The bootstrap loader ("GRUB") is not easy to remove, and I would
> highly recommend you have a complete bit-image (not just a data-file
> backup!!!) copy of your original, functional, system, including programs
> and OS, before you try to install Linux.
>

Alan Bloom

Re: win 7 32/64 bit ... caution needed...

Much as I hate Microsoft Windows, I have to admit that if you just want
a computer that works, Windows is the best choice. If you don't mind
climbing up a steep learning curve and spending hours playing around
with the computer trying to get everything to work, then Linux is the
way to go.

I use Ubuntu Linux on a computer that is dedicated to email and web
surfing. By keeping my Windows machine (that has all my important stuff
on it) not connected to the Internet, I don't have to worry about
viruses.

I would like to be able to use the modem on the Linux machine as a
backup for when my Internet access fails (which happens on a fairly
regular basis). But, despite reading through all the help files and
spending several hours on it, I have never been able to get the modem to
work. It works fine under Windows on the same computer (dual-boot
Windows and Lunux). Took me about 5 minutes to activate it.

When I first installed Ubuntu, everything else worked fine. But after
one of the updates, the sound quit working. I Googled the problem,
found a couple of helpful troubleshooting information sites, and spent
several hours trying various things but was never able to get it working
again. Also, I use a KVM (keyboard-video-mouse) switch between the two
computers. Ubuntu worked fine with it at first, but after one of the
updates I now have to completely boot up with the KVM switched to that
computer or it hangs up. And again, a couple hours of troubleshooting
did not cure the problem.

No doubt, given enough self-study and hours of messing around I could
eventually solve those problems. But frankly I have better things to
do. Computers are not a hobby for me. I don't enjoy messing with them.
I just want something that works. So I hold my nose and use Windows.

Al N1AL

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Re: win 7 32/64 bit

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Tried that and it didn't work

----- "Amateur Radio Operator N5GE" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Run everything as administrator...
>
> 73,
>
> Tom Childers
> Radio Amateur N5GE
> Licensed since 1976
> QCWA Life Member 35102
> ARRL Life Member
> Retired Professional
> C# Software developer
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>
> On Wed, 5 Jan 2011 06:28:10 -0600 (CST), Jerry <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >OK, I see there are a lot of happy Win 7 folks on this subject so
> I'll take a minute and see
> >if any of you can help with this Win 7 issue.
> >
> >I'm running Win 7 Home premium 64 bit. It works great for most
> things.
> >
> >I one issue I've run into and haven't been able to resolve?
> >
> >When I'm running HRD, I can't connect to QRZ or the DX windows.
> Heck, I can't even register
> >the software. I can't hook to any I/O ports because Windows
> permissions is blocking me.
> >
> >I've been reading everything I can find and have tried many different
> things to get around this
> >but haven't found the answer.
> >
> >SO, can any of you pro Win 7 folks point me in the right
> direction??
> >
> >Any help would be appreciated
> >
> >73 Jerry N0JRN
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