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Cady, Fred-2

15% discount KE7X book

www.lulu<http://www.lulu>.com has a 15% discount going on there for KE7X Elecraft books including the 3rd Edition K3 book (doesn't apply for K3S, KX3 and KX2 books carried by Elecraft).

See www.ke7x.com<http://www.ke7x.com> for more information.

73,

Fred KE7X

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Cady, Fred-2

Re: 15% discount KE7X book Code is FWD15

Forgot to give it before.

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www.lulu<http://www.lulu>.com has a 15% discount going on there for KE7X Elecraft books including the 3rd Edition K3 book (doesn't apply for K3S, KX3 and KX2 books carried by Elecraft).

See www.ke7x.com<http://www.ke7x.com> for more information.

73,

Fred KE7X

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Neil Zampella

Re: 15% discount KE7X book

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Hi Fred,

I've got your great KX3 book, and your 'assembling the KX3 line station'
book (from Lulu). Did you ever create a K2 book, and if so, is it
still available anywhere??

73,

Neil, KN3ILZ

On 4/6/2018 8:35 PM, Cady, Fred wrote:

> www.lulu<http://www.lulu>.com has a 15% discount going on there for KE7X Elecraft books including the 3rd Edition K3 book (doesn't apply for K3S, KX3 and KX2 books carried by Elecraft).
>
> See www.ke7x.com<http://www.ke7x.com> for more information.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred KE7X
>
>
>

ke9uw

Re: 15% discount KE7X book Code is FWD15

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I was looking for the latest K3S book and don't see it...specifically titled as "K3S and P3" as is advertised on the Elecraft site under part number E740243. When I click on that part number, there is no Cady book titled as such.
I have also looked on the Lulu.com site and don't see that specific title. I do see "The Elecraft K3 and P3" 3rd Edition.
I have "The Elecraft K3" 2nd Edition and was thinking of an updated book for the K3S including revision firmware updates.
Is the "The Elecraft K3 and P3" 3rd Edition such a book?

Thank you and 73,

Chuck KE9UW
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Forgot to give it before.

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www.lulu<http://www.lulu>.com has a 15% discount going on there for KE7X Elecraft books including the 3rd Edition K3 book (doesn't apply for K3S, KX3 and KX2 books carried by Elecraft).

See www.ke7x.com<http://www.ke7x.com> for more information.

73,

Fred KE7X

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Cady, Fred-2

Re: 15% discount KE7X book

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Hi Neil

No never did a K2 book.

Sorry the 15% discount at Lulu doesn't apply to pdf files.

The K3S, KX3, and KX2 hard copy books are only available through Elecraft. Sorry about that too.

Fred KE7X

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Hi Fred,

I've got your great KX3 book, and your 'assembling the KX3 line station'
book (from Lulu). Did you ever create a K2 book, and if so, is it
still available anywhere??

73,

Neil, KN3ILZ

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Cady, Fred-2

Re: 15% discount KE7X book Code is FWD15

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Hi Chuck,

The K3S and P3 (full title is "The K3S and P3 -- Getting the Most from your High Performance Station") spiral bound hard copy is available on the Elecraft website (http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_books.htm scroll down to Fred Cady books). PDF is available at http://www.lulu.com/

(Search for Elecraft). Table of contents and other information is found at http://www.ke7x.com/the-elecraft-k3s-book

The K3 3rd edition book (full title is "The Elecraft K3 and P3 -- Incorporating the KXV3B and KIO3B") spiral bound hard copy and pdf versions are available at Lulu. More information and TOC at http://www.ke7x.com/home/guide-to-the-k3.

I know it is a bit confusing so I hope this helps.

73,

Fred KE7X

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I was looking for the latest K3S book and don't see it...specifically titled as "K3S and P3" as is advertised on the Elecraft site under part number E740243. When I click on that part number, there is no Cady book titled as such.
I have also looked on the Lulu.com site and don't see that specific title. I do see "The Elecraft K3 and P3" 3rd Edition.
I have "The Elecraft K3" 2nd Edition and was thinking of an updated book for the K3S including revision firmware updates.
Is the "The Elecraft K3 and P3" 3rd Edition such a book?

Thank you and 73,

Chuck KE9UW
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Forgot to give it before.

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www.lulu<http://www.lulu>.com has a 15% discount going on there for KE7X Elecraft books including the 3rd Edition K3 book (doesn't apply for K3S, KX3 and KX2 books carried by Elecraft).

See www.ke7x.com<http://www.ke7x.com> for more information.

73,

Fred KE7X

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Mike Markowski-2

Re: Fred's vs Elecraft manuals

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Fred and all,

Can you describe in general how your books differ from Elecraft manuals?
I haven't found Elecaft manuals to be lacking and very much like how
direct and concise they are. Your books are popular, making me wonder
what you've added?

Tnx es 73!
Mike ab3ap

On 04/07/2018 11:39 AM, Cady, Fred wrote:
> Hi Neil
>
> No never did a K2 book.
>
> Sorry the 15% discount at Lulu doesn't apply to pdf files.
>
> The K3S, KX3, and KX2 hard copy books are only available through Elecraft. Sorry about that too.
>
> Fred KE7X
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donovanf

Re: Fred's vs Elecraft manuals

Hi Mike,

Fred's K3 manual is much more detailed than the Elecraft manual.
I rarely use my Elecraft manual.

My favorite is the pdf edition which is computer searchable

You won't regret your investment!

73
Frank
W3LPL

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Fred and all,

Can you describe in general how your books differ from Elecraft manuals?
I haven't found Elecaft manuals to be lacking and very much like how
direct and concise they are. Your books are popular, making me wonder
what you've added?

Tnx es 73!
Mike ab3ap

On 04/07/2018 11:39 AM, Cady, Fred wrote:
> Hi Neil
>
> No never did a K2 book.
>
> Sorry the 15% discount at Lulu doesn't apply to pdf files.
>
> The K3S, KX3, and KX2 hard copy books are only available through Elecraft. Sorry about that too.
>
> Fred KE7X
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Re: Fred's vs Elecraft manuals

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Fair question. From my perspective...

Elecraft manuals are well written and follow the pattern of all
manufacturer's User Manuals. They are like the "dash one" in the set of
Air Force Tech Orders for some piece of equipment ... "How to fly the
airplane." They describe how to configure cables and other hardware,
how to use the menu system, and how to operate the radio.

Fred's book approaches it sort of at right angles to Elecraft, delving
much more deeply into why you would want to choose one configuration
over another, the practical effects of various configuration options,
etc. It gives alternate tables and organization for some of the data
that gets buried in larger tables in the Elecraft manual. The Elecraft
manual will tell you some setting is remembered by band ... Cady will
follow that through with what it means in operational situations.

They are very much complementary, and I find I use them about equally.
I have the spiral bound book, it lays flat on the desk and I can make
notes in it.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
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Washoe County

On 4/7/2018 11:04 AM, Mike Markowski wrote:

> Fred and all,
>
> Can you describe in general how your books differ from Elecraft
> manuals? I haven't found Elecaft manuals to be lacking and very much
> like how direct and concise they are. Your books are popular, making
> me wonder what you've added?
>
> Tnx es 73!
> Mike ab3ap
>
> On 04/07/2018 11:39 AM, Cady, Fred wrote:
>> Hi Neil
>>
>> No never did a K2 book.
>>
>> Sorry the 15% discount at Lulu doesn't apply to pdf files.
>>
>> The K3S, KX3, and KX2 hard copy books are only available through
>> Elecraft. Sorry about that too.
>>
>> Fred KE7X
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David Gilbert

Re: Fred's vs Elecraft manuals

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Fred's manuals are more detailed and give more background on how or why
you might use a particular control instead of just what it does. I own
his manuals for both the K3 and the KX2 and they were well worth it.

Dave

On 4/7/2018 11:04 AM, Mike Markowski wrote:

Cady, Fred-2

Re: Fred's vs Elecraft manuals de KE7X

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What makes the KE7X Elecraft book different than the Elecraft owner’s manuals?
Let’s start by saying the KE7X books do not have any information needed to operate the radios that is not in the Elecraft Owner’s manuals. Owner’s manuals are by design succinct and concise descriptions of the controls and features of the radio. Elecraft manuals are very well done but I found during my 40+ years as an EE prof that there are various ways that people learn. Some are visual learners and learn by seeing diagrams and images, some can gain comprehension just be reading. Others are more hands-on learners, needing the “lab experience” to cement their understanding of the concepts. I’m a visual and hands-on learner. When I first got my K3 I had trouble understanding how the sub receiver worked and what the different antenna switching options were. So I drew it out in a diagram and that made it much more clear to me. If that helped me, wouldn’t it help others? So the idea of a K3 book was born. (The original title was to be “The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the K3” but I got talked out of that!)
The concept that takes these books beyond the Elecraft manuals is support for the visual, reading, and doing learning styles. There are many, many diagrams. In the K3S book there are 131 diagrams, 16 on the sub receiver alone. There are expanded explanations (and diagrams) for all radio operations and in-depth explanations of topics such as the various controls for the receiver’s AGC. And to top it all off, most topics have a “lab exercise” that you can do sitting at your radio to make sure you understand the concept.
The printed versions of the books all have an index and, of course, the pdf versions can be easily searched for what you are looking for.
www.ke7x.com<http://www.ke7x.com> has more information on all 12 current KE7X Elecraft books with tables of contents and ordering information.

73,

Fred

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fred's vs Elecraft manuals

Fred and all,

Can you describe in general how your books differ from Elecraft manuals?
I haven't found Elecaft manuals to be lacking and very much like how
direct and concise they are. Your books are popular, making me wonder
what you've added?

Tnx es 73!
Mike ab3ap

On 04/07/2018 11:39 AM, Cady, Fred wrote:
> Hi Neil
>
> No never did a K2 book.
>
> Sorry the 15% discount at Lulu doesn't apply to pdf files.
>
> The K3S, KX3, and KX2 hard copy books are only available through Elecraft. Sorry about that too.
>
> Fred KE7X
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Mike Markowski-2

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Many thanks to everyone who responded! I have a clearer understanding now.

It reminds me of my own EE student days. I found learning electronics
challenging because our texts started with math and the useful
properties of this or that circuit kind of fell out as a side effect or
mini-miracle. Then I discovered the text 'The Art of Electronics' which
approached it from a different angle and things clicked much more
naturally for me.

I like Skip K6DGW's description of the two approaches to Elecraft as
orthogonal. So I think I get it. Thanks, all!

73,
Mike ab3ap

On 04/07/2018 03:05 PM, Cady, Fred wrote:
> [...] I found during my 40+ years as an EE prof that there are
> various ways that people learn.Some are visual learners and learn by
> seeing diagrams and images, some can gain comprehension just be
> reading.Others are more hands-on learners, needing the “lab experience”
> to cement their understanding of the concepts.[...]
>
> 73,
>
> Fred
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That’s a great book, “The Art of Electronics”. Horowitz and Hill, Harvard and Rowland institute for Science. Interesting about the math. I learned the math, though, in EE courses and found that to be a plus. Math with an application.
Seemed like I was always taking the math course after I learned the math the semester before in an EE course.
Anyway, I bought the book when I was already on the job and it was a great source of ideas and understanding.
Chuck
KE9UW

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> On Apr 7, 2018, at 3:35 PM, Mike Markowski <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Many thanks to everyone who responded! I have a clearer understanding now.
>
> It reminds me of my own EE student days. I found learning electronics challenging because our texts started with math and the useful properties of this or that circuit kind of fell out as a side effect or mini-miracle. Then I discovered the text 'The Art of Electronics' which approached it from a different angle and things clicked much more naturally for me.
>
> I like Skip K6DGW's description of the two approaches to Elecraft as orthogonal. So I think I get it. Thanks, all!
>
> 73,
> Mike ab3ap
>
>> On 04/07/2018 03:05 PM, Cady, Fred wrote:
>> [...] I found during my 40+ years as an EE prof that there are
>> various ways that people learn.Some are visual learners and learn by seeing diagrams and images, some can gain comprehension just be reading.Others are more hands-on learners, needing the “lab experience” to cement their understanding of the concepts.[...]
>> 73,
>> Fred
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Re: Fred's vs Elecraft manuals de KE7X

I learn subjects more readily if they keep from diving into the
mathematics on page one. I don't find the math difficult it just
distracts me from the broad brush strokes of concepts. Once I get the
idea firmly in my head the mathematics helps me dig deeper. But starting
with the math just means it takes me longer to gain understanding.
Unless it is a math (or physics) course :) Show me examples, explain
the examples, then dig into the equations.

Kevin. KD5ONS

On 04/07/2018 04:17 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:

> That’s a great book, “The Art of Electronics”. Horowitz and Hill, Harvard and Rowland institute for Science. Interesting about the math. I learned the math, though, in EE courses and found that to be a plus. Math with an application.
> Seemed like I was always taking the math course after I learned the math the semester before in an EE course.
> Anyway, I bought the book when I was already on the job and it was a great source of ideas and understanding.
> Chuck
> KE9UW
>
> Sent from my iPhone, cjack
>
>> On Apr 7, 2018, at 3:35 PM, Mike Markowski <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Many thanks to everyone who responded! I have a clearer understanding now.
>>
>> It reminds me of my own EE student days. I found learning electronics challenging because our texts started with math and the useful properties of this or that circuit kind of fell out as a side effect or mini-miracle. Then I discovered the text 'The Art of Electronics' which approached it from a different angle and things clicked much more naturally for me.
>>
>> I like Skip K6DGW's description of the two approaches to Elecraft as orthogonal. So I think I get it. Thanks, all!
>>
>> 73,
>> Mike ab3ap
>>
>>> On 04/07/2018 03:05 PM, Cady, Fred wrote:
>>> [...] I found during my 40+ years as an EE prof that there are
>>> various ways that people learn.Some are visual learners and learn by seeing diagrams and images, some can gain comprehension just be reading.Others are more hands-on learners, needing the “lab experience” to cement their understanding of the concepts.[...]
>>> 73,
>>> Fred
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Re: Art of Electronics

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Chuck and all,

It really is a great book, the best I've found on the topic for my style
of learning. I really like math but also need concrete examples. I
like their approach of "here's how we might approach this," leading to
shortcomings, to how to improve, etc. Very methodical rather than
jumping straight into the best solution without knowing where the model
came from.

In general, I find electronics learning - or really, learning anything -
to be iterative. I'd take the math class, then the EE and understand
some. As more math or EE clicked I'd understand the other a little
better. And so on. At long last, I'm ready to compete with those kids
who skated through university effortlessly...as retirement is only a
decade away! Better late than never. :-)

73,
Mike ab3ap

On 04/07/2018 07:17 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:

Robie Elms-2

Re: Art of Electronics

Which edition is the most useful for hams?

Robie AJ4F

> On Apr 8, 2018, at 10:14, Mike Markowski <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Chuck and all,
>
> It really is a great book, the best I've found on the topic for my style of learning. I really like math but also need concrete examples. I like their approach of "here's how we might approach this," leading to shortcomings, to how to improve, etc. Very methodical rather than jumping straight into the best solution without knowing where the model came from.
>
> In general, I find electronics learning - or really, learning anything - to be iterative. I'd take the math class, then the EE and understand some. As more math or EE clicked I'd understand the other a little better. And so on. At long last, I'm ready to compete with those kids who skated through university effortlessly...as retirement is only a decade away! Better late than never. :-)
>
> 73,
> Mike ab3ap
>
>> On 04/07/2018 07:17 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
>> That’s a great book, “The Art of Electronics”. Horowitz and Hill, Harvard and Rowland institute for Science. Interesting about the math. I learned the math, though, in EE courses and found that to be a plus. Math with an application.
>> Seemed like I was always taking the math course after I learned the math the semester before in an EE course.
>> Anyway, I bought the book when I was already on the job and it was a great source of ideas and understanding.
>> Chuck
>> KE9UW
>> Sent from my iPhone, cjack
>>> On Apr 7, 2018, at 3:35 PM, Mike Markowski <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Many thanks to everyone who responded! I have a clearer understanding now.
>>>
>>> It reminds me of my own EE student days. I found learning electronics challenging because our texts started with math and the useful properties of this or that circuit kind of fell out as a side effect or mini-miracle. Then I discovered the text 'The Art of Electronics' which approached it from a different angle and things clicked much more naturally for me.
>>>
>>> I like Skip K6DGW's description of the two approaches to Elecraft as orthogonal. So I think I get it. Thanks, all!
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Mike ab3ap
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Mike Markowski-2

Re: Art of Electronics

Robie,

I don't have all editions to compare, but think newest is usually best.
Maybe others know better? The book is an intro, though very detailed!,
and doesn't cover much in the way of RF to my recollection. It would be
a foundation that makes RF design easy to follow, though.

Others might have better recommendations for ham-specific books. But if
you leaf through something like ARRL's "Introduction to Radio Frequency
Design," you'll probably get more from it after a book like Art of Elec.

73,
Mike ab3ap

On 04/08/2018 11:28 AM, Robie Elms wrote:

> Which edition is the most useful for hams?
>
> Robie AJ4F
>
>> On Apr 8, 2018, at 10:14, Mike Markowski <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Chuck and all,
>>
>> It really is a great book, the best I've found on the topic for my
>> style of learning. I really like math but also need concrete
>> examples. I like their approach of "here's how we might approach
>> this," leading to shortcomings, to how to improve, etc. Very
>> methodical rather than jumping straight into the best solution
>> without knowing where the model came from.
>>
>> In general, I find electronics learning - or really, learning
>> anything - to be iterative. I'd take the math class, then the EE
>> and understand some. As more math or EE clicked I'd understand the
>> other a little better. And so on. At long last, I'm ready to
>> compete with those kids who skated through university
>> effortlessly...as retirement is only a decade away! Better late
>> than never. :-)
>>
>> 73, Mike ab3ap
>>
>>> On 04/07/2018 07:17 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: That’s a
>>> great book, “The Art of Electronics”. Horowitz and Hill, Harvard
>>> and Rowland institute for Science. Interesting about the math. I
>>> learned the math, though, in EE courses and found that to be a
>>> plus. Math with an application. Seemed like I was always taking
>>> the math course after I learned the math the semester before in
>>> an EE course. Anyway, I bought the book when I was already on the
>>> job and it was a great source of ideas and understanding. Chuck
>>> KE9UW

Frank O'Donnell

Re: Art of Electronics

In reply to this post by Robie Elms-2

Hi all, new ham/KX3 owner/list member here.

When this question came up in another forum, one member advised: "The
second edition has circuit ideas and examples, where the third edition
replaced it with chapter review exercises (more like an academic
textbook). I have no interest in the homework assignments, and feel a
lot of value was lost from this. Yes, there are minor updates like
micro-controllers, but there are better resources for that. If I had to
pick only one, I'd keep my 2nd Ed."

Based on that, I recently bought a (used) copy of the second edition.

Frank K6FOD

On 4/8/18 8:28 AM, Robie Elms wrote:

> Which edition is the most useful for hams?
>
> Robie AJ4F
>
>> On Apr 8, 2018, at 10:14, Mike Markowski <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Chuck and all,
>>
>> It really is a great book, the best I've found on the topic for my style of learning. I really like math but also need concrete examples. I like their approach of "here's how we might approach this," leading to shortcomings, to how to improve, etc. Very methodical rather than jumping straight into the best solution without knowing where the model came from.
>>
>> In general, I find electronics learning - or really, learning anything - to be iterative. I'd take the math class, then the EE and understand some. As more math or EE clicked I'd understand the other a little better. And so on. At long last, I'm ready to compete with those kids who skated through university effortlessly...as retirement is only a decade away! Better late than never. :-)
>>
>> 73,
>> Mike ab3ap
>>
>>> On 04/07/2018 07:17 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
>>> That’s a great book, “The Art of Electronics”. Horowitz and Hill, Harvard and Rowland institute for Science. Interesting about the math. I learned the math, though, in EE courses and found that to be a plus. Math with an application.
>>> Seemed like I was always taking the math course after I learned the math the semester before in an EE course.
>>> Anyway, I bought the book when I was already on the job and it was a great source of ideas and understanding.
>>> Chuck
>>> KE9UW
>>> Sent from my iPhone, cjack
>>>> On Apr 7, 2018, at 3:35 PM, Mike Markowski <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks to everyone who responded! I have a clearer understanding now.
>>>>
>>>> It reminds me of my own EE student days. I found learning electronics challenging because our texts started with math and the useful properties of this or that circuit kind of fell out as a side effect or mini-miracle. Then I discovered the text 'The Art of Electronics' which approached it from a different angle and things clicked much more naturally for me.
>>>>
>>>> I like Skip K6DGW's description of the two approaches to Elecraft as orthogonal. So I think I get it. Thanks, all!
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Mike ab3ap
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Phil Hystad-3

Re: Art of Electronics

I own the second edition and I also own the student manual that goes along with the book.

To judge the usefulness of this book, it is good to learn why it exists. As you read in the preface to the first edition, the book grew out of notes from a course at Harvard University on "laboratory electronics". This type of course is similar to other courses at other universities and the important thing to note is that the target student is NOT an E.E. major. In fact, the preface states that the book is designed to be used by students that do not have previous electronics knowledge or experience. But, these were Harvard students so I grant those students' capabilities as better than average.

My undergraduate degree is Physics and back in the 1960s, my physics curriculum included a similar course study. This was all about using lab equipment but also making the necessary little electronic gadgets that were important to work in a physics research laboratory. When I took my course, the book "The Art of Electronics" did not exist and we never had a text book in our course.

I wanted more though so I also signed up for the EE department's equivalent course which started with FET transistors which was the new thing at the time and quickly went into digital electronics and digital logic circuits. I never learned about building audio or RF circuits in my physics oriented electronics course nor in the EE course. Importance was given to digital and computer circuits (~1967). The book "The Art ..." is similar, its main focus is primarily in using electronics to interface with equipment, digital/analog, digital/digital, and so on with just a sprinkle, in comparison, for RF.

73, phil, K7PEH

> On Apr 8, 2018, at 8:45 AM, Frank O'Donnell <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi all, new ham/KX3 owner/list member here.
>
> When this question came up in another forum, one member advised: "The second edition has circuit ideas and examples, where the third edition replaced it with chapter review exercises (more like an academic textbook). I have no interest in the homework assignments, and feel a lot of value was lost from this. Yes, there are minor updates like micro-controllers, but there are better resources for that. If I had to pick only one, I'd keep my 2nd Ed."
>
> Based on that, I recently bought a (used) copy of the second edition.
>
> Frank K6FOD
>
>
> On 4/8/18 8:28 AM, Robie Elms wrote:
>> Which edition is the most useful for hams?
>>
>> Robie AJ4F
>>
>>> On Apr 8, 2018, at 10:14, Mike Markowski <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Chuck and all,
>>>
>>> It really is a great book, the best I've found on the topic for my style of learning. I really like math but also need concrete examples. I like their approach of "here's how we might approach this," leading to shortcomings, to how to improve, etc. Very methodical rather than jumping straight into the best solution without knowing where the model came from.
>>>
>>> In general, I find electronics learning - or really, learning anything - to be iterative. I'd take the math class, then the EE and understand some. As more math or EE clicked I'd understand the other a little better. And so on. At long last, I'm ready to compete with those kids who skated through university effortlessly...as retirement is only a decade away! Better late than never. :-)
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Mike ab3ap
>>>
>>>> On 04/07/2018 07:17 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
>>>> That’s a great book, “The Art of Electronics”. Horowitz and Hill, Harvard and Rowland institute for Science. Interesting about the math. I learned the math, though, in EE courses and found that to be a plus. Math with an application.
>>>> Seemed like I was always taking the math course after I learned the math the semester before in an EE course.
>>>> Anyway, I bought the book when I was already on the job and it was a great source of ideas and understanding.
>>>> Chuck
>>>> KE9UW
>>>> Sent from my iPhone, cjack
>>>>> On Apr 7, 2018, at 3:35 PM, Mike Markowski <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Many thanks to everyone who responded! I have a clearer understanding now.
>>>>>
>>>>> It reminds me of my own EE student days. I found learning electronics challenging because our texts started with math and the useful properties of this or that circuit kind of fell out as a side effect or mini-miracle. Then I discovered the text 'The Art of Electronics' which approached it from a different angle and things clicked much more naturally for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> I like Skip K6DGW's description of the two approaches to Elecraft as orthogonal. So I think I get it. Thanks, all!
>>>>>
>>>>> 73,
>>>>> Mike ab3ap
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donovanf

Re: Art of Electronics

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The current Third Edition is available in used but like new condition for $56.50 with free shipping at:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0521809266/ref=tmm_hrd_used_olp_sr?ie=UTF8&condition=used&qid=&sr=

The Second Edition is available for free as a pdf at:

https://ia801605.us.archive.org/14/items/TheArtOfElectronics-2ndEdition/the-art-of-electronics.pdf

73
Frank
W3LPL

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From: "Mike Markowski" <[hidden email]>
To: "Robie Elms" <[hidden email]>
Cc: [hidden email]
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 3:42:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Art of Electronics

Robie,

I don't have all editions to compare, but think newest is usually best.
Maybe others know better? The book is an intro, though very detailed!,
and doesn't cover much in the way of RF to my recollection. It would be
a foundation that makes RF design easy to follow, though.

Others might have better recommendations for ham-specific books. But if
you leaf through something like ARRL's "Introduction to Radio Frequency
Design," you'll probably get more from it after a book like Art of Elec.

73,
Mike ab3ap

On 04/08/2018 11:28 AM, Robie Elms wrote: