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John_N1JM

32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

Apple is starting to push 64 bit apps on the Mac. Will these change to 64 bit
soon?

73, John N1JM

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Re: 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

Yes.. No worries. All new releases of the Mac and Linux versions of the Elecraft Utilities will be 64-bit. As a result, OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard) will no longer be supported and users of 32-bit Linux will need to upgrade to a 64-bit distro. This will be a gradual process as new revisions of the Utilities are released.

Out of curiosity, is anyone still using OS X 10.6?

David, W4SMT

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Apple is starting to push 64 bit apps on the Mac. Will these change to 64 bit
soon?

73, John N1JM

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Dave Sublette-2

Re: 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

Good morning David,

A curious bit of circumstance forced me to use an earlier version of the
Apple O/S recently. My old Mac Mini died when its UPS went hysterical and
cycled the power violently several times. I bought a new one, complete
with 16GB RAM and the 1TB Fusion Drive (and a new power backup system).

My old Mini setup ran Parallels and Win7/64 so I could run several amateur
radio programs on it. When I tried partitioning the new drive for 250GB
for Boot camp. It wouldn't do it. There is a BUG in High Sierra that
causes this and I have informed Apple of it. They have had others report
the same. They had o way to fix it at the time I was having the problem
in late March.

My solution was to wipe the new drive and install an earlier version -- in
this case 10.6 -- temporarily. The older disk utility will partition the
new drive the way I needed it. After installing Win7/64, I reinstalled
High Sierra and all was well.

This is an example of how I had to drop back to an older O/S, if only
temporarily.

73,

Dave, K4TO

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 2:59 AM, David Fleming via Elecraft <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> Yes.. No worries. All new releases of the Mac and Linux versions of the
> Elecraft Utilities will be 64-bit. As a result, OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard)
> will no longer be supported and users of 32-bit Linux will need to upgrade
> to a 64-bit distro. This will be a gradual process as new revisions of the
> Utilities are released.
>
> Out of curiosity, is anyone still using OS X 10.6?
>
> David, W4SMT
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, April 12, 2018, 1:26:56 AM EDT, John_N1JM <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> Apple is starting to push 64 bit apps on the Mac. Will these change to 64
> bit
> soon?
>
> 73, John N1JM
>
>
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Thorpe, Jeffrey

Re: 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

I still occasionally use an older 2007 Macbook that will not run anything newer than OSX 10.6.8. It handles my radio apps just fine.

Jeff - kg7hdz

> On Apr 12, 2018, at 5:02 AM, Dave Sublette <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Good morning David,
>
> A curious bit of circumstance forced me to use an earlier version of the
> Apple O/S recently. My old Mac Mini died when its UPS went hysterical and
> cycled the power violently several times. I bought a new one, complete
> with 16GB RAM and the 1TB Fusion Drive (and a new power backup system).
>
> My old Mini setup ran Parallels and Win7/64 so I could run several amateur
> radio programs on it. When I tried partitioning the new drive for 250GB
> for Boot camp. It wouldn't do it. There is a BUG in High Sierra that
> causes this and I have informed Apple of it. They have had others report
> the same. They had o way to fix it at the time I was having the problem
> in late March.
>
> My solution was to wipe the new drive and install an earlier version -- in
> this case 10.6 -- temporarily. The older disk utility will partition the
> new drive the way I needed it. After installing Win7/64, I reinstalled
> High Sierra and all was well.
>
> This is an example of how I had to drop back to an older O/S, if only
> temporarily.
>
> 73,
>
> Dave, K4TO
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 2:59 AM, David Fleming via Elecraft <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Yes.. No worries. All new releases of the Mac and Linux versions of the
>> Elecraft Utilities will be 64-bit. As a result, OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard)
>> will no longer be supported and users of 32-bit Linux will need to upgrade
>> to a 64-bit distro. This will be a gradual process as new revisions of the
>> Utilities are released.
>>
>> Out of curiosity, is anyone still using OS X 10.6?
>>
>> David, W4SMT
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 12, 2018, 1:26:56 AM EDT, John_N1JM <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Apple is starting to push 64 bit apps on the Mac. Will these change to 64
>> bit
>> soon?
>>
>> 73, John N1JM
>>
>>
>>
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Thorpe, Jeffrey

Re: 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

Oh, and not to mention the Raspberry Pi. While it is a 64 bit Arm, Raspbian OS is still only 32 bit.

Jeff - kg7hdz

> On Apr 12, 2018, at 5:39 AM, Thorpe, Jeffrey <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I still occasionally use an older 2007 Macbook that will not run anything newer than OSX 10.6.8. It handles my radio apps just fine.
>
> Jeff - kg7hdz
>
>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 5:02 AM, Dave Sublette <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Good morning David,
>>
>> A curious bit of circumstance forced me to use an earlier version of the
>> Apple O/S recently. My old Mac Mini died when its UPS went hysterical and
>> cycled the power violently several times. I bought a new one, complete
>> with 16GB RAM and the 1TB Fusion Drive (and a new power backup system).
>>
>> My old Mini setup ran Parallels and Win7/64 so I could run several amateur
>> radio programs on it. When I tried partitioning the new drive for 250GB
>> for Boot camp. It wouldn't do it. There is a BUG in High Sierra that
>> causes this and I have informed Apple of it. They have had others report
>> the same. They had o way to fix it at the time I was having the problem
>> in late March.
>>
>> My solution was to wipe the new drive and install an earlier version -- in
>> this case 10.6 -- temporarily. The older disk utility will partition the
>> new drive the way I needed it. After installing Win7/64, I reinstalled
>> High Sierra and all was well.
>>
>> This is an example of how I had to drop back to an older O/S, if only
>> temporarily.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Dave, K4TO
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 2:59 AM, David Fleming via Elecraft <
>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes.. No worries. All new releases of the Mac and Linux versions of the
>>> Elecraft Utilities will be 64-bit. As a result, OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard)
>>> will no longer be supported and users of 32-bit Linux will need to upgrade
>>> to a 64-bit distro. This will be a gradual process as new revisions of the
>>> Utilities are released.
>>>
>>> Out of curiosity, is anyone still using OS X 10.6?
>>>
>>> David, W4SMT
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 12, 2018, 1:26:56 AM EDT, John_N1JM <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Apple is starting to push 64 bit apps on the Mac. Will these change to 64
>>> bit
>>> soon?
>>>
>>> 73, John N1JM
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Carl Yaffey

Re: 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

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Any idea when the Mac version of theKPA1500 utility will be available?

> On Apr 12, 2018, at 2:59 AM, David Fleming via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Yes.. No worries. All new releases of the Mac and Linux versions of the Elecraft Utilities will be 64-bit. As a result, OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard) will no longer be supported and users of 32-bit Linux will need to upgrade to a 64-bit distro. This will be a gradual process as new revisions of the Utilities are released.
>
> Out of curiosity, is anyone still using OS X 10.6?
>
> David, W4SMT
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, April 12, 2018, 1:26:56 AM EDT, John_N1JM <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Apple is starting to push 64 bit apps on the Mac. Will these change to 64 bit
> soon?
>
> 73, John N1JM
>
>
>
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Johan Ymerson

Re: 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

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On Thursday, 12 April 2018 14:40:58 CEST Thorpe, Jeffrey wrote:
> Oh, and not to mention the Raspberry Pi. While it is a 64 bit Arm, Raspbian
> OS is still only 32 bit.
>
> Jeff - kg7hdz
>

On the other hand, the K3 Utility has to my knowledge never been available for
ARM, 32-bit or otherwise.
32-bit Linux is pretty dead as OS on desktops/laptops. Sure, many embedded
systems still are 32-bit, but the K3 Utility is a desktop application.

Johan, SM0XHJ

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Thorpe, Jeffrey

Re: 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

KX3 Utility runs on my Pi.

Jeff - kg7hdz

> On Apr 12, 2018, at 07:52, Johan Ymerson <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, 12 April 2018 14:40:58 CEST Thorpe, Jeffrey wrote:
>> Oh, and not to mention the Raspberry Pi. While it is a 64 bit Arm, Raspbian
>> OS is still only 32 bit.
>>
>> Jeff - kg7hdz
>>
>
> On the other hand, the K3 Utility has to my knowledge never been available for
> ARM, 32-bit or otherwise.
> 32-bit Linux is pretty dead as OS on desktops/laptops. Sure, many embedded
> systems still are 32-bit, but the K3 Utility is a desktop application.
>
> Johan, SM0XHJ
>
>
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Johan Ymerson

Re: 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

Does it? Where can I download it for the Pi (ARM)? I do have a Pi in my
sailing boat so a Pi version of KX3 Utility could be useful :-)

/Johan

On Thursday, 12 April 2018 17:32:33 CEST Thorpe, Jeffrey wrote:

> KX3 Utility runs on my Pi.
>
> Jeff - kg7hdz
>
> > On Apr 12, 2018, at 07:52, Johan Ymerson <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> On Thursday, 12 April 2018 14:40:58 CEST Thorpe, Jeffrey wrote:
> >> Oh, and not to mention the Raspberry Pi. While it is a 64 bit Arm,
> >> Raspbian
> >> OS is still only 32 bit.
> >>
> >> Jeff - kg7hdz
> >
> > On the other hand, the K3 Utility has to my knowledge never been available
> > for ARM, 32-bit or otherwise.
> > 32-bit Linux is pretty dead as OS on desktops/laptops. Sure, many embedded
> > systems still are 32-bit, but the K3 Utility is a desktop application.
> >
> > Johan, SM0XHJ
> >
> >
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Re: 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

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On Thursday, 12 April 2018 17:18:12 CEST D. R. Evans wrote:
> Johan Ymerson wrote on 04/12/2018 08:48 AM:
> > 32-bit Linux is pretty dead as OS on desktops/laptops. Sure, many embedded
>
> ??
>
> I have several 32-bit Linux desktop boxes here, all working perfectly.
> Including the shack computer.
>
> Doc -- N7DR

Sure there are 32-bit desktops out there, therefor I wrote pretty dead, not
completely dead ;-)
Two years ago, Ubuntu did a poll and 92% answered they used the 64-bit
version. Now that is hardly representative for all distributions, but on the
other hand it was two years ago...
Maintaining a 32-bit desktop is getting harder and harder. Bugs that only
affect i386 is getting more common as hardly anyone testing new versions run
i386. And the 3GB memory per process limit is starting to be a real issue.
The larger distributions will probably drop i386 support in a year or two.

/Johan

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I just downloaded and tried to run it on a Pi running the latest version of
Raspian got the error I expected.

pi@raspberrypi:~/kx3util_1_16_6_25 $ ./kx3util
-bash: ./kx3util: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error
pi@raspberrypi:~/kx3util_1_16_6_25 $

How did you get it to run?

Jim/KA2RVO

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 10:32 AM, Thorpe, Jeffrey <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> KX3 Utility runs on my Pi.
>
> Jeff - kg7hdz
>
> > On Apr 12, 2018, at 07:52, Johan Ymerson <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thursday, 12 April 2018 14:40:58 CEST Thorpe, Jeffrey wrote:
> >> Oh, and not to mention the Raspberry Pi. While it is a 64 bit Arm,
> Raspbian
> >> OS is still only 32 bit.
> >>
> >> Jeff - kg7hdz
> >>
> >
> > On the other hand, the K3 Utility has to my knowledge never been
> available for
> > ARM, 32-bit or otherwise.
> > 32-bit Linux is pretty dead as OS on desktops/laptops. Sure, many
> embedded
> > systems still are 32-bit, but the K3 Utility is a desktop application.
> >
> > Johan, SM0XHJ
> >
> >
> >
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Johan Ymerson

Re: 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

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On Thursday, 12 April 2018 18:18:15 CEST you wrote:

> Johan Ymerson wrote on 04/12/2018 10:03 AM:
> > Sure there are 32-bit desktops out there, therefor I wrote pretty dead,
> > not
> > completely dead ;-)
> > Two years ago, Ubuntu did a poll and 92% answered they used the 64-bit
> > version.
>
> I have a couple of 64-bit machines too, and would have answered in the
> affirmative (if I used Ubuntu). Unless the question asked "do you use ONLY
> the 64-bit version", you are drawing an unwarranted conclusion.
>
> > Maintaining a 32-bit desktop is getting harder and harder. Bugs that only
> > affect i386 is getting more common as hardly anyone testing new versions
> > run i386. And the 3GB memory per process limit is starting to be a real
> > issue. The larger distributions will probably drop i386 support in a year
> > or two.
> Please, stick to facts. None of those statements is true, except possibly
> the last (I have no insight into what the plans may or may not be for
> "larger distributions").

Let's not get into a technical Linux discussion here. We hams probably keep
old computers around way longer than the average user. The (sad) truth is that
most people today see their laptops and phones etc as consumables that you
through away after a couple of years.

>
> Anyway, my basic point, and trying to keep this relevant to the topic to
> hand, is that for Elecraft to require 64-bit hardware seems to be an
> arbitrary imposition, as there is no other obvious reason for said
> requirement to be imposed on a shack computer.
>
> Doc N7DR

I agree that providing both a 32-bit and a 64-bit version would be nice. But
if Elecraft need to chose between either 32-bit or 64-bit (and two versions
obviously cost more than one to maintain), then 64-bit is the obvious choice
today.

/Johan, SM0XHJ

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Thorpe, Jeffrey

Re: 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

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I don’t remember - I’ll try to look at it tonight and see how. I don’t think I had to do anything goofy...I’m running the latest Raspbian also.

Jeff - kg7hdz

On Apr 12, 2018, at 9:18 AM, James Austin <[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:

I just downloaded and tried to run it on a Pi running the latest version of Raspian got the error I expected.

pi@raspberrypi:~/kx3util_1_16_6_25 $ ./kx3util
-bash: ./kx3util: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error
pi@raspberrypi:~/kx3util_1_16_6_25 $

How did you get it to run?

Jim/KA2RVO

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 10:32 AM, Thorpe, Jeffrey <[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
KX3 Utility runs on my Pi.

Jeff - kg7hdz

> On Apr 12, 2018, at 07:52, Johan Ymerson <[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, 12 April 2018 14:40:58 CEST Thorpe, Jeffrey wrote:
>> Oh, and not to mention the Raspberry Pi. While it is a 64 bit Arm, Raspbian
>> OS is still only 32 bit.
>>
>> Jeff - kg7hdz
>>
>
> On the other hand, the K3 Utility has to my knowledge never been available for
> ARM, 32-bit or otherwise.
> 32-bit Linux is pretty dead as OS on desktops/laptops. Sure, many embedded
> systems still are 32-bit, but the K3 Utility is a desktop application.
>
> Johan, SM0XHJ
>
>
>
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Re: 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

If you want to run 64 bit Linux on a Raspberry Pi 3, you will probably
need to use a different distribution than Raspbian, which currently only
exists in a 32 bit version.

Bob, N7XY

On 4/12/18 9:43 AM, Thorpe, Jeffrey wrote:

> I don’t remember - I’ll try to look at it tonight and see how. I don’t think I had to do anything goofy...I’m running the latest Raspbian also.
>
> Jeff - kg7hdz
>
> On Apr 12, 2018, at 9:18 AM, James Austin <[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
> I just downloaded and tried to run it on a Pi running the latest version of Raspian got the error I expected.
>
> pi@raspberrypi:~/kx3util_1_16_6_25 $ ./kx3util
> -bash: ./kx3util: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error
> pi@raspberrypi:~/kx3util_1_16_6_25 $
>
> How did you get it to run?
>
> Jim/KA2RVO
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 10:32 AM, Thorpe, Jeffrey <[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
> KX3 Utility runs on my Pi.
>
> Jeff - kg7hdz
>
>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 07:52, Johan Ymerson <[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, 12 April 2018 14:40:58 CEST Thorpe, Jeffrey wrote:
>>> Oh, and not to mention the Raspberry Pi. While it is a 64 bit Arm, Raspbian
>>> OS is still only 32 bit.
>>>
>>> Jeff - kg7hdz
>>>
>> On the other hand, the K3 Utility has to my knowledge never been available for
>> ARM, 32-bit or otherwise.
>> 32-bit Linux is pretty dead as OS on desktops/laptops. Sure, many embedded
>> systems still are 32-bit, but the K3 Utility is a desktop application.
>>
>> Johan, SM0XHJ
>>
>>
>>
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Re: 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

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Unless you ran it under emulation (e.g. wine or something like that), I
think you are misremembering. KX3 utility is currently only available as
X86 32 bit application. It can't run natively on a Raspberry Pi.

73,
John
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Joseph Reed-2

Re: 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

Actually there is a Linux version of the KX3 utility. The error posted suggests it might have been the Windows X86 version, or needs to be compiled for the ARM processor instead of the Intel/AMD. Regardless the source code is not available so move along folks, nothing to see here. And since Raspbian is a Debian derivative you would kind of sort of think it would work. Debian, yuck, CentOS :)

All of my Pi 2B and Pi 3 units are deployed with application specific tasks. But I have a couple of Pi Zeros that aren’t earning their keep. When I can find the time I’ll test it.

Joe N9JR

> On Apr 12, 2018, at 5:56 PM, John Marvin <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Unless you ran it under emulation (e.g. wine or something like that), I think you are misremembering. KX3 utility is currently only available as X86 32 bit application. It can't run natively on a Raspberry Pi.
>
> 73,
> John
> AC0ZG
>
> On 4/12/2018 10:43 AM, Thorpe, Jeffrey wrote:
>> I don’t remember - I’ll try to look at it tonight and see how. I don’t think I had to do anything goofy...I’m running the latest Raspbian also.
>>
>> Jeff - kg7hdz
>>
>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 9:18 AM, James Austin <[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>
>> I just downloaded and tried to run it on a Pi running the latest version of Raspian got the error I expected.
>>
>> pi@raspberrypi:~/kx3util_1_16_6_25 $ ./kx3util
>> -bash: ./kx3util: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error
>> pi@raspberrypi:~/kx3util_1_16_6_25 $
>>
>> How did you get it to run?
>>
>> Jim/KA2RVO
>>
>>
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Re: 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

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Yes - you are correct. It didn’t occur to me when I installed it that it shouldn’t run due to the different architecture.
Turns out that the first thing I installed to the fresh installation of Raspbian was Exagear Desktop to test with a different application (a windows one.) I had thought that you had to tell ED to start the 686 emulator prior to running an x86 app, but it appears to automatically invoke when it detects the different architecture trying to load. So it started the emulator and runs KX3 Util inside it.
It isn’t perfect though - for some reason it fails to connect to ftp.elecraft.com with a 127 error, even though the x86 machine can go to the internet. KX3 Util does connect to the KX3 and can do everything else though. Guess I’ll have to figure out how to correct that one problem.

I expect that a some time in the not-to-distant future they will release a 64-bit version of Raspbian. It would be nice to have a native KX3 Util program compiled for the Arm. Raspberry Pis just get more popular for ham radio. It runs the FL suite, WSJT-X, and Chirp.

Jeff - kg7hdz

> On Apr 12, 2018, at 3:57 PM, John Marvin <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Unless you ran it under emulation (e.g. wine or something like that), I think you are misremembering. KX3 utility is currently only available as X86 32 bit application. It can't run natively on a Raspberry Pi.
>
> 73,
> John
> AC0ZG
>
>> On 4/12/2018 10:43 AM, Thorpe, Jeffrey wrote:
>> I don’t remember - I’ll try to look at it tonight and see how. I don’t think I had to do anything goofy...I’m running the latest Raspbian also.
>>
>> Jeff - kg7hdz
>>
>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 9:18 AM, James Austin <[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>
>> I just downloaded and tried to run it on a Pi running the latest version of Raspian got the error I expected.
>>
>> pi@raspberrypi:~/kx3util_1_16_6_25 $ ./kx3util
>> -bash: ./kx3util: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error
>> pi@raspberrypi:~/kx3util_1_16_6_25 $
>>
>> How did you get it to run?
>>
>> Jim/KA2RVO
>>
>>
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Re: 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

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So forgive me but is it the case that the 32 bit elecraft utilities will not run on 64 bit operating systems? If that's the case then elecraft will release a 64 bit version of the utilities. If the 32 bit utilities do run on a 64 bit OS then what's the point? There is no point. A 32 bit version of their utilities will work just as well as just fast over a rs232 connection no matter if the OS is 64 bit 128 bit or 256 bit. So the question is will these utilities not run on a 64 bit OS? They are 32 bit and run just fine on 64 bit windows.. 73 Tom

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-------- Original message --------From: "Thorpe, Jeffrey" <[hidden email]> Date: 2018-04-12 9:06 PM (GMT-05:00) To: John Marvin <[hidden email]> Cc: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps
Yes - you are correct. It didn’t occur to me when I installed it that it shouldn’t run due to the different architecture.
Turns out that the first thing I installed to the fresh installation of Raspbian was Exagear Desktop to test with a different application (a windows one.) I had thought that you had to tell ED to start the 686 emulator prior to running an x86 app, but it appears to automatically invoke when it detects the different architecture trying to load. So it started the emulator and runs KX3 Util inside it.
It isn’t perfect though - for some reason it fails to connect to ftp.elecraft.com with a 127 error, even though the x86 machine can go to the internet. KX3 Util does connect to the KX3 and can do everything else though. Guess I’ll have to figure out how to correct that one problem.

I expect that a some time in the not-to-distant future they will release a 64-bit version of Raspbian. It would be nice to have a native KX3 Util program compiled for the Arm. Raspberry Pis just get more popular for ham radio. It runs the FL suite, WSJT-X, and Chirp.

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Re: 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

This probably started with the Mac OS thing. My understanding is that
post High Sierra it will be just 64 bit and they will start dropping
support for 32 bit so very possible that on a Mac lots of (some?) 32 bit
apps may not work.

When are we going to see 128 bit OS's :)

Martin, HS0ZED

On 13/04/2018 10:53, tomb18 wrote:

> So forgive me but is it the case that the 32 bit elecraft utilities will not run on 64 bit operating systems? If that's the case then elecraft will release a 64 bit version of the utilities. If the 32 bit utilities do run on a 64 bit OS then what's the point? There is no point. A 32 bit version of their utilities will work just as well as just fast over a rs232 connection no matter if the OS is 64 bit 128 bit or 256 bit. So the question is will these utilities not run on a 64 bit OS? They are 32 bit and run just fine on 64 bit windows.. 73 Tom
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> -------- Original message --------From: "Thorpe, Jeffrey" <[hidden email]> Date: 2018-04-12 9:06 PM (GMT-05:00) To: John Marvin <[hidden email]> Cc: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps
> Yes - you are correct. It didn’t occur to me when I installed it that it shouldn’t run due to the different architecture.
> Turns out that the first thing I installed to the fresh installation of Raspbian was Exagear Desktop to test with a different application (a windows one.) I had thought that you had to tell ED to start the 686 emulator prior to running an x86 app, but it appears to automatically invoke when it detects the different architecture trying to load. So it started the emulator and runs KX3 Util inside it.
> It isn’t perfect though - for some reason it fails to connect to ftp.elecraft.com with a 127 error, even though the x86 machine can go to the internet. KX3 Util does connect to the KX3 and can do everything else though. Guess I’ll have to figure out how to correct that one problem.
>
> I expect that a some time in the not-to-distant future they will release a 64-bit version of Raspbian. It would be nice to have a native KX3 Util program compiled for the Arm. Raspberry Pis just get more popular for ham radio. It runs the FL suite, WSJT-X, and Chirp.
>
> Jeff - kg7hdz
>
>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 3:57 PM, John Marvin <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Unless you ran it under emulation (e.g. wine or something like that), I think you are misremembering. KX3 utility is currently only available as X86 32 bit application. It can't run natively on a Raspberry Pi.
>>
>> 73,
>> John
>> AC0ZG
>>
>>> On 4/12/2018 10:43 AM, Thorpe, Jeffrey wrote:
>>> I don’t remember - I’ll try to look at it tonight and see how. I don’t think I had to do anything goofy...I’m running the latest Raspbian also.
>>>
>>> Jeff - kg7hdz
>>>
>>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 9:18 AM, James Austin <[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I just downloaded and tried to run it on a Pi running the latest version of Raspian got the error I expected.
>>>
>>> pi@raspberrypi:~/kx3util_1_16_6_25 $ ./kx3util
>>> -bash: ./kx3util: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error
>>> pi@raspberrypi:~/kx3util_1_16_6_25 $
>>>
>>> How did you get it to run?
>>>
>>> Jim/KA2RVO
>>>
>>>
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Re: 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

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64-bit x86 Linux (or Windows for that mater) cannot natively run 32-bit
applications. A 32-bit compatibility layer is needed. It is essentially
an entire copy of the 32-bit version of the OS installed in parallel. On
most Linux distributions this needs to be installed manually. On Windows
the compatibility layer (WoW64) is installed by default on desktop
versions and some server versions. The 32-bit support is possible
because Intel and AMD is still including the 32-bit instruction set in
the current CPUs. When they decide that space is needed for more import
things (or causes too many security issues) and remove it, it will no
longer be possible to run 32-bit applications on those CPUs.

Users with old computers can still run the older version of the Elecraft
utilities so it isn't like anything will stop working.

By the way, if you get errors when the K3/KX3 utilities is checking for
new firmware, try installing the 'curl' package.

/Johan, SM0XHJ

On 2018-04-13 05:53, tomb18 wrote:

> So forgive me but is it the case that the 32 bit elecraft utilities
> will not run on 64 bit operating systems? If that's the case then
> elecraft will release a 64 bit version of the utilities. If the 32 bit
> utilities do run on a 64 bit OS then what's the point? There is no
> point. A 32 bit version of their utilities will work just as well as
> just fast over a rs232 connection no matter if the OS is 64 bit 128
> bit or 256 bit. So the question is will these utilities not run on a
> 64 bit OS? They are 32 bit and run just fine on 64 bit windows.. 73
> Tom
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> -------- Original message --------From: "Thorpe, Jeffrey"
> <[hidden email]> Date: 2018-04-12 9:06 PM (GMT-05:00) To: John
> Marvin <[hidden email]> Cc: [hidden email] Subject:
> Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps
> Yes - you are correct. It didn’t occur to me when I installed it that
> it shouldn’t run due to the different architecture.
> Turns out that the first thing I installed to the fresh installation
> of Raspbian was Exagear Desktop to test with a different application
> (a windows one.) I had thought that you had to tell ED to start the
> 686 emulator prior to running an x86 app, but it appears to
> automatically invoke when it detects the different architecture trying
> to load. So it started the emulator and runs KX3 Util inside it.
> It isn’t perfect though - for some reason it fails to connect to
> ftp.elecraft.com with a 127 error, even though the x86 machine can go
> to the internet. KX3 Util does connect to the KX3 and can do
> everything else though. Guess I’ll have to figure out how to correct
> that one problem.
>
> I expect that a some time in the not-to-distant future they will
> release a 64-bit version of Raspbian. It would be nice to have a
> native KX3 Util program compiled for the Arm. Raspberry Pis just get
> more popular for ham radio. It runs the FL suite, WSJT-X, and Chirp.
>
> Jeff - kg7hdz
>
>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 3:57 PM, John Marvin <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Unless you ran it under emulation (e.g. wine or something like that),
>> I think you are misremembering. KX3 utility is currently only
>> available as X86 32 bit application. It can't run natively on a
>> Raspberry Pi.
>>
>> 73,
>> John
>> AC0ZG
>>
>>> On 4/12/2018 10:43 AM, Thorpe, Jeffrey wrote:
>>> I don’t remember - I’ll try to look at it tonight and see how. I
>>> don’t think I had to do anything goofy...I’m running the latest
>>> Raspbian also.
>>>
>>> Jeff - kg7hdz
>>>
>>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 9:18 AM, James Austin
>>> <[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I just downloaded and tried to run it on a Pi running the latest
>>> version of Raspian got the error I expected.
>>>
>>> pi@raspberrypi:~/kx3util_1_16_6_25 $ ./kx3util
>>> -bash: ./kx3util: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error
>>> pi@raspberrypi:~/kx3util_1_16_6_25 $
>>>
>>> How did you get it to run?
>>>
>>> Jim/KA2RVO
>>>
>>>
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