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500Hz 5-pole vs Inrad 500Hz 8-pole?

Ross Primrose N4RP
Any thoughts on the merits of one vs the other? The 5-pole filter is
cheaper, but they need to me matched for diversity receive, does the
8-pole Inrad filter not need to be matched? Is either one/both wide
enough for 500Hz Olivia modes?

Thanks...

73, Ross N4RP

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Re: 500Hz 5-pole vs Inrad 500Hz 8-pole?

Joe Planisky
Hi Ross,

I do not have either 500 Hz filter, but I would expect either one would work for the 500 Hz Olivia modes, although they might be a little tight and require careful centering of the signal.  I recently got the 700 Hz 8-pole Inrad filter (from http://unpcbs.com) specifically for the wider digital modes.  So far I'm happy with it.

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On Jan 25, 2011, at 6:27 AM, Ross Primrose wrote:

> Any thoughts on the merits of one vs the other? The 5-pole filter is
> cheaper, but they need to me matched for diversity receive, does the
> 8-pole Inrad filter not need to be matched? Is either one/both wide
> enough for 500Hz Olivia modes?
>
> Thanks...
>
> 73, Ross N4RP
>
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Re: 500Hz 5-pole vs Inrad 500Hz 8-pole?

Joe Subich, W4TV-4
In reply to this post by Ross Primrose N4RP

 > Is either one/both wide enough for 500Hz Olivia modes?

I would question using either 500 Hz option for Olivia since the
group delay will be significant in the shoulder areas and that
can impact the "outer" tones considerably.

 > Any thoughts on the merits of one vs the other?

My Elecraft 500 Hz, 5-pole filters averaged 480 Hz at the -6dB
points while the INRAD filters tend to be about 10% (or more)
wider than nominal, particularly as the nominal bandwidth
decreases.  On the other hand, the skirts are much sharper (better
shape factor) with the 8 pole filters.

 > does the 8-pole Inrad filter not need to be matched?

There is no "matching" for the INRAD filters but their center
frequencies are not well controlled.  In a recent sample of
four 400Hz INRAD filters, I measured offsets at -15 Hz, +24 Hz,
+45 Hz and + 55 Hz.  The total difference of 60 Hz in 430 Hz
(average) measured bandwidth is a bit concerning.  I ended up
with the -15 Hz/+24 Hz pair in one rig (no offset) and the
+45 Hz/+55 Hz pair in the other rig with a slight offset to
center the pair.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 1/25/2011 9:27 AM, Ross Primrose wrote:
> Any thoughts on the merits of one vs the other? The 5-pole filter is
> cheaper, but they need to me matched for diversity receive, does the
> 8-pole Inrad filter not need to be matched? Is either one/both wide
> enough for 500Hz Olivia modes?
>
> Thanks...
>
> 73, Ross N4RP
>
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Re: 500Hz 5-pole vs Inrad 500Hz 8-pole?

Ross Primrose N4RP
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Thanks to everyone who responded.  I've gone with the Inrad 8-pole 500hz
filter for now.  Expected arrival date for my K3 is next Weds.

73, Ross N4RP

On 1/25/2011 9:27 AM, Ross Primrose wrote:
> Any thoughts on the merits of one vs the other? The 5-pole filter is
> cheaper, but they need to me matched for diversity receive, does the
> 8-pole Inrad filter not need to be matched? Is either one/both wide
> enough for 500Hz Olivia modes?
>
> Thanks...
>
> 73, Ross N4RP
>


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Re: 500Hz 5-pole vs Inrad 500Hz 8-pole?

Dunc Carter - W5DC

My Inrad 500 Hz filter seems to be centered perfectly.  The 250 Hz 8
pole Elecraft badged 8 pole filter seems slightly off center but
probably not enough to bother diversity but since I don't have the
second receiver, I can't say for sure.

I've used the 500 Hz filter for 500  Hz Olivia without any apparent problem.

Dunc, W5DC

On 1/27/2011 1:30 PM, Ross Primrose wrote:

> Thanks to everyone who responded.  I've gone with the Inrad 8-pole 500hz
> filter for now.  Expected arrival date for my K3 is next Weds.
>
> 73, Ross N4RP
>
> On 1/25/2011 9:27 AM, Ross Primrose wrote:
>> Any thoughts on the merits of one vs the other? The 5-pole filter is
>> cheaper, but they need to me matched for diversity receive, does the
>> 8-pole Inrad filter not need to be matched? Is either one/both wide
>> enough for 500Hz Olivia modes?
>>
>> Thanks...
>>
>> 73, Ross N4RP
>>
>

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