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Pete Smith N4ZR

A K3 Pileup Wrinkle with CW Skimmer

CW Skimmer is a great tool for cracking the K1N pileups because it
decodes the calls of folks calling as well as who just sent 599, and you
can click on the relevant decoder dot to move instantly to that
frequency. I'm using it with an LP-Pan in what Skimmer calls the
Softrock-IF mode.

One rub, though, is that the pileups are so wide that it often is not
possible to go split, listen on VFO A, and transmit on the second VFO,.
because Skimmer tracks VFOA and the action is too far above K1N's
frequency to display on my monitor. My K3 has the separate subRX,
happily, so I can invert things - listen to K1N on VFO B, while tuning
up the band on VFO A looking for the last successful caller. Works
amazingly well.

--

73, Pete N4ZR
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tomb18

Re: A K3 Pileup Wrinkle with CW Skimmer

Yes CW skimmer works great. One caveat though with listening on vfo b. Many people use the built in decoding of cw on the k3 or use software such as cwget to assist them. This only works on the main receiver so you lose that functionality.
Two things would be great here. One, having decoding built into the k3 subreceiver. That would fix this when you use it like you do. Second, cw skimmer should have an option to qsy on vfo b as well.
Tom
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On Feb 6, 2015 10:06 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> CW Skimmer is a great tool for cracking the K1N pileups because it
> decodes the calls of folks calling as well as who just sent 599, and you
> can click on the relevant decoder dot to move instantly to that
> frequency. I'm using it with an LP-Pan in what Skimmer calls the
> Softrock-IF mode.
>
> One rub, though, is that the pileups are so wide that it often is not
> possible to go split, listen on VFO A, and transmit on the second VFO,.
> because Skimmer tracks VFOA and the action is too far above K1N's
> frequency to display on my monitor. My K3 has the separate subRX,
> happily, so I can invert things - listen to K1N on VFO B, while tuning
> up the band on VFO A looking for the last successful caller. Works
> amazingly well.
>
> --
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at
> http://reversebeacon.net,
> blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
> For spots, please go to your favorite
> ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: A K3 Pileup Wrinkle with CW Skimmer

> One caveat though with listening on vfo b. Many people use the built
> in decoding of cw on the k3 or use software such as cwget to assist
> them. This only works on the main receiver so you lose that
> functionality.

For those who are so disabled as to require an external "crutch" to
copy their own call and 5NN, it is a simple matter to reverse channels
in the sound card (at most it requires a "reversing cable") to decode
audio on the sub Receiver.

Properly designed software will provide the ability to select Left or
Right channel audio - that means simply clicking a radio box to choose
Main or Sub Rx.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 2015-02-06 10:57 AM, Tom Blahovici wrote:

> Yes CW skimmer works great. One caveat though with listening on vfo b. Many people use the built in decoding of cw on the k3 or use software such as cwget to assist them. This only works on the main receiver so you lose that functionality.
> Two things would be great here. One, having decoding built into the k3 subreceiver. That would fix this when you use it like you do. Second, cw skimmer should have an option to qsy on vfo b as well.
> Tom
> va2fsq.com
>
> On Feb 6, 2015 10:06 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> CW Skimmer is a great tool for cracking the K1N pileups because it
>> decodes the calls of folks calling as well as who just sent 599, and you
>> can click on the relevant decoder dot to move instantly to that
>> frequency. I'm using it with an LP-Pan in what Skimmer calls the
>> Softrock-IF mode.
>>
>> One rub, though, is that the pileups are so wide that it often is not
>> possible to go split, listen on VFO A, and transmit on the second VFO,.
>> because Skimmer tracks VFOA and the action is too far above K1N's
>> frequency to display on my monitor. My K3 has the separate subRX,
>> happily, so I can invert things - listen to K1N on VFO B, while tuning
>> up the band on VFO A looking for the last successful caller. Works
>> amazingly well.
>>
>> --
>>
>> 73, Pete N4ZR
>> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at
>> http://reversebeacon.net,
>> blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
>> For spots, please go to your favorite
>> ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
>>
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Kenneth Moorman

Re: A K3 Pileup Wrinkle with CW Skimmer

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I use it this way too, and agree it is very helpful. I wish there were a
way to either expand or contract the frequency range displayed sort of like
Rocky does to be able to get the "big picture" first and then home in in a
more detailed search.

73, Ken, NU4I

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Subject: [Elecraft] A K3 Pileup Wrinkle with CW Skimmer

CW Skimmer is a great tool for cracking the K1N pileups because it decodes
the calls of folks calling as well as who just sent 599, and you can click
on the relevant decoder dot to move instantly to that frequency. I'm using
it with an LP-Pan in what Skimmer calls the Softrock-IF mode.

One rub, though, is that the pileups are so wide that it often is not
possible to go split, listen on VFO A, and transmit on the second VFO,.
because Skimmer tracks VFOA and the action is too far above K1N's frequency
to display on my monitor. My K3 has the separate subRX, happily, so I can
invert things - listen to K1N on VFO B, while tuning up the band on VFO A
looking for the last successful caller. Works amazingly well.

--

73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at
http://reversebeacon.net,
blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
For spots, please go to your favorite
ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.

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David Gilbert

Re: A K3 Pileup Wrinkle with CW Skimmer

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This isn't actually true. You can configure OmniRig to treat the K3
VFOs as two separate rigs and open two windows of CW Skimmer to monitor
each. I haven't used mine that way for a couple of years so I can't
readily explain the details, but I've done it before and it works fine.
It shouldn't be difficult for anyone to duplicate it.

73,
Dave AB7E

On 2/6/2015 8:57 AM, Tom Blahovici wrote:

> Yes CW skimmer works great. One caveat though with listening on vfo b. Many people use the built in decoding of cw on the k3 or use software such as cwget to assist them. This only works on the main receiver so you lose that functionality.
> Two things would be great here. One, having decoding built into the k3 subreceiver. That would fix this when you use it like you do. Second, cw skimmer should have an option to qsy on vfo b as well.
> Tom
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>
> On Feb 6, 2015 10:06 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> CW Skimmer is a great tool for cracking the K1N pileups because it
>> decodes the calls of folks calling as well as who just sent 599, and you
>> can click on the relevant decoder dot to move instantly to that
>> frequency. I'm using it with an LP-Pan in what Skimmer calls the
>> Softrock-IF mode.
>>
>> One rub, though, is that the pileups are so wide that it often is not
>> possible to go split, listen on VFO A, and transmit on the second VFO,.
>> because Skimmer tracks VFOA and the action is too far above K1N's
>> frequency to display on my monitor. My K3 has the separate subRX,
>> happily, so I can invert things - listen to K1N on VFO B, while tuning
>> up the band on VFO A looking for the last successful caller. Works
>> amazingly well.
>>
>> --
>>
>> 73, Pete N4ZR
>> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at
>> http://reversebeacon.net,
>> blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
>> For spots, please go to your favorite
>> ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
>>
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K4KGG

Re: A K3 Pileup Wrinkle with CW Skimmer

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> For those who are so disabled as to require an external "crutch" to
> copy their own call and 5NN, it is a simple matter to reverse channels
> in the sound card (at most it requires a "reversing cable") to decode
> audio on the sub Receiver.

Ah, the old CW snobbery! When is the notion that paddle or key
generated CW is superior to software and keyer generated code going to
disappear? You decode RTTY with software, don't you? CW is just another
digital mode. Software decoding has brought many new CW ops into CW
DXing and contesting. Software encoding is more accurate and allows many
ops to achieve speeds they could never otherwise achieve. Perhaps you
use a keyer for contesting? Many (most?) contesters do. CW contest
participation is declining. RTTY contest participation is increasing.
Software is every where improving our lives. Time to give up on old ways
and ideas and move into the future.

K4KGG, Larry
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alsopb

Re: A K3 Pileup Wrinkle with CW Skimmer

Please provide some references for CW contest participation is
declining. My recollection from various magazines is that contest
participation #'s are up for all modes ( no reference provided either).

73 de Brian/K3KO
On 2/6/2015 21:38 PM, Larry Libsch wrote:

>> For those who are so disabled as to require an external "crutch" to
>> copy their own call and 5NN, it is a simple matter to reverse channels
>> in the sound card (at most it requires a "reversing cable") to decode
>> audio on the sub Receiver.
>
> Ah, the old CW snobbery! When is the notion that paddle or key
> generated CW is superior to software and keyer generated code going to
> disappear? You decode RTTY with software, don't you? CW is just
> another digital mode. Software decoding has brought many new CW ops
> into CW DXing and contesting. Software encoding is more accurate and
> allows many ops to achieve speeds they could never otherwise achieve.
> Perhaps you use a keyer for contesting? Many (most?) contesters do. CW
> contest participation is declining. RTTY contest participation is
> increasing. Software is every where improving our lives. Time to give
> up on old ways and ideas and move into the future.
>
>
> K4KGG, Larry
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Re: A K3 Pileup Wrinkle with CW Skimmer

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On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 4:38 PM, Larry Libsch <[hidden email]> wrote:

> For those who are so disabled as to require an external "crutch" to
>> copy their own call and 5NN, it is a simple matter to reverse channels
>> in the sound card (at most it requires a "reversing cable") to decode
>> audio on the sub Receiver.
>>
>
> Ah, the old CW snobbery! When is the notion that paddle or key
> generated CW is superior to software and keyer generated code going to
> disappear?

I don't think the original comment had anything to do with generating cw.

> You decode RTTY with software, don't you?

Yes. It was designed to be machine-decoded.

> CW is just another digital mode.

Yes, one that was designed to be able to be decoded by ear.

> Software decoding has brought many new CW ops into CW DXing and contesting.

Great!

> Software encoding is more accurate

At high signal/noise levels it is perhaps as accurate.

> and allows many ops to achieve speeds they could never otherwise achieve.

Only if they choose to not practice and improve.

> Perhaps you use a keyer for contesting? Many (most?) contesters do.

You betcha.

> CW contest participation is declining.

Oooh, I'd love to see your research on this one.

> RTTY contest participation is increasing.

Great!

> Software is every where improving our lives.

True.

> Time to give up on old ways and ideas and move into the future.
>

As long as the future is an improvement - 'tisn't always so.

73,

geo - n4ua

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Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Re: A K3 Pileup Wrinkle with CW Skimmer

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Time to close this portion of the thread.

In general, arguments and statements like pro/con comments on CW operation,
contesting etc are best taken elsewhere as they are way OT and outside of the
list guidelines.

73,
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On 2/6/2015 1:38 PM, Larry Libsch wrote:

>> For those who are so disabled as to require an external "crutch" to
>> copy their own call and 5NN, it is a simple matter to reverse channels
>> in the sound card (at most it requires a "reversing cable") to decode
>> audio on the sub Receiver.
>
> Ah, the old CW snobbery! When is the notion that paddle or key
> generated CW is superior to software and keyer generated code going to
> disappear? You decode RTTY with software, don't you? CW is just another
> digital mode. Software decoding has brought many new CW ops into CW DXing and
> contesting. Software encoding is more accurate and allows many ops to achieve
> speeds they could never otherwise achieve. Perhaps you use a keyer for
> contesting? Many (most?) contesters do. CW contest participation is declining.
> RTTY contest participation is increasing. Software is every where improving
> our lives. Time to give up on old ways and ideas and move into the future.
>
>
> K4KGG, Larry
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: A K3 Pileup Wrinkle with CW Skimmer

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> Ah, the old CW snobbery!

I see others have answered your misinformed opinions - appropriate to
someone who has never had the privilege of really learning CW or never
had to prove the ability to really use international Morse. However,
just one further point ... I've yet to see a machine decoder that can
copy CW in noise anywhere near as well as a good CW operator. Although
I am no "speed deamon", I gave up on decoders years ago and only turn
on the K3's Text display occasionally just to remind myself just how
much of a handicap those decoders are for someone who never bothered
to learn to copy "by ear".

The K3/X3 decoder is one of the better ones I've seen but unless one
is fortunate enough to be listening to machine generated CW with at
least a 10 dB signal to noise ratio ... forget about it. In that
situation, one is better off using one of the newer FEC encoded data
modes designed for noisy and fading HF circuits - or even traditional
RTTY - as the throughput and error rate will be much better when using
a modulation designed for the medium being used.

73,

... Joe, W4TV
The opinions expressed are my own and do not reflect on
Elecraft or any other company/association.

On 2015-02-06 4:38 PM, Larry Libsch wrote:

>> For those who are so disabled as to require an external "crutch" to
>> copy their own call and 5NN, it is a simple matter to reverse channels
>> in the sound card (at most it requires a "reversing cable") to decode
>> audio on the sub Receiver.
>
> Ah, the old CW snobbery! When is the notion that paddle or key
> generated CW is superior to software and keyer generated code going to
> disappear? You decode RTTY with software, don't you? CW is just another
> digital mode. Software decoding has brought many new CW ops into CW
> DXing and contesting. Software encoding is more accurate and allows many
> ops to achieve speeds they could never otherwise achieve. Perhaps you
> use a keyer for contesting? Many (most?) contesters do. CW contest
> participation is declining. RTTY contest participation is increasing.
> Software is every where improving our lives. Time to give up on old ways
> and ideas and move into the future.
>
>
> K4KGG, Larry
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barry whittemore

Re: A K3 Pileup Wrinkle with CW Skimmer

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3. Testing email (Richard Fjeld)
4. Re: A K3 Pileup Wrinkle with CW Skimmer (brian)
5. Re: A K3 Pileup Wrinkle with CW Skimmer (George Dubovsky)
6. Re: A K3 Pileup Wrinkle with CW Skimmer (Walter Underwood)
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Makes you wonder how they know such seeming impossible-to-know things.

Are there also magic potions and incantations available?

73 de Brian/K3KO

On 2/6/2015 20:55 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote:
> A couple of days ago I reported a fall-off in output from my K3 on
> some bands. I wrote about this to Howard, K6IA, at Elecraft service,
> who wrote back and suggested that one or more of the three screws that
> attach the LPA board to the lower cover of the radio might have loosened.
>
> Sure enough - one of the three was 1/2 turn short of tight. Tightened
> it up, tested, all normal again. Ran auto TX calibration, all
> successful. I happy camper am. Thanks Howard!
>

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CW contesting is far from declining. it is increasing. here is the CQWW stats for past 10 years.
7442 in 2013 vs 4109 in 2004 shows a big increase.
Barry
NF1O

YearSSB EntriesCW EntriesTotal Entries20138,4827,44215,92420128,1907,22815,41820117,4746,70914,18320106,5496,16412,71320096,0595,85811,91720085,0175,32010,33720075,0084,8529,86020064,5394,5939,13220054,4464,0908,53620044,3684,0558,42320034,0494,1098,158

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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2015 16:38:05 -0500
From: Larry Libsch <[hidden email]>
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> For those who are so disabled as to require an external "crutch" to
> copy their own call and 5NN, it is a simple matter to reverse channels
> in the sound card (at most it requires a "reversing cable") to decode
> audio on the sub Receiver.

Ah, the old CW snobbery! When is the notion that paddle or key
generated CW is superior to software and keyer generated code going to
disappear? You decode RTTY with software, don't you? CW is just another
digital mode. Software decoding has brought many new CW ops into CW
DXing and contesting. Software encoding is more accurate and allows many
ops to achieve speeds they could never otherwise achieve. Perhaps you
use a keyer for contesting? Many (most?) contesters do. CW contest
participation is declining. RTTY contest participation is increasing.
Software is every where improving our lives. Time to give up on old ways
and ideas and move into the future.

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