A Solution for Antenna-Restricted Hams?

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[Bob Nielsen-2]

There are similar solutions available from US manufacturers, for  
example:

http://www.utilitycamo.com/

When I lived in Tucson, there was a saguaro cactus cell phone tower  
nearby.  I never could figure out why they went to the expense, since  
there was a telephone pole adjacent to the stealth installation.

Bob, N7XY

On Jul 12, 2009, at 4:21 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:

> I'm sure it isn't cheap, but who can argue with this antenna in your
> neighborhood (or even realize it *is* an antenna mast) even though  
> it might
> be over 100 feet tall?
>
> www.envirocom.co.za/products.htm#PINE TREE MAST
>
> Unfortunately for us Yanks, they aren't made in the USA AFAIK
>
> Ron AC7AC
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[K2QI]

Well, I've been using a Tarheel 100A screwdriver antenna mounted to a tripod
on my balcony.  I live in NYC.  It's small enough to go mostly unnoticed.  I
also have an SB-220 hooked up to it, and it handles the power well.  It's a
compromise antenna, but it works fine considering what I'm up against.  I
worked a Russian and Slovenian station last night on 20m FB with this setup.

James K2QI

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[w7aqk]

Here in Tucson, The Larson Company (http://www.utilitycamo.com/) is very
successful making all sorts of "camoflauged" antenna structures.  Fake
saguaro cactus designs are quite popular.  Unfortunately, this stuff isn't
cheap!  Disguising cellphone towers is a big part of their business, but
they do all sorts of exotic things.

Dave W7AQK

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Nielsen" <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] A Solution for Antenna-Restricted Hams?

> There are similar solutions available from US manufacturers, for
> example:
>
> http://www.utilitycamo.com/
>
> When I lived in Tucson, there was a saguaro cactus cell phone tower
> nearby.  I never could figure out why they went to the expense, since
> there was a telephone pole adjacent to the stealth installation.
>
> Bob, N7XY
>
> On Jul 12, 2009, at 4:21 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
>
>> I'm sure it isn't cheap, but who can argue with this antenna in your
>> neighborhood (or even realize it *is* an antenna mast) even though
>> it might
>> be over 100 feet tall?
>>
>> www.envirocom.co.za/products.htm#PINE TREE MAST
>>
>> Unfortunately for us Yanks, they aren't made in the USA AFAIK
>>
>> Ron AC7AC
>>
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[alsopb]

These things are great in concept.   However, a large amount of the
stealth is lost in the 6 months of site prep and erection of them.
Thye would be fine if they just grew overnight.

Every one I've seen stuck out as a sore thumb.  You need them to be
located in a forest of same type "structures".

73 de Brian/K3KO

David Y. wrote:

>Here in Tucson, The Larson Company (http://www.utilitycamo.com/) is very
>successful making all sorts of "camoflauged" antenna structures.  Fake
>saguaro cactus designs are quite popular.  Unfortunately, this stuff isn't
>cheap!  Disguising cellphone towers is a big part of their business, but
>they do all sorts of exotic things.
>
>Dave W7AQK
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bob Nielsen" <[hidden email]>
>To: "elecraft List" <[hidden email]>
>Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 4:35 PM
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] A Solution for Antenna-Restricted Hams?
>
>
>  
>
>>There are similar solutions available from US manufacturers, for
>>example:
>>
>>http://www.utilitycamo.com/
>>
>>When I lived in Tucson, there was a saguaro cactus cell phone tower
>>nearby.  I never could figure out why they went to the expense, since
>>there was a telephone pole adjacent to the stealth installation.
>>
>>Bob, N7XY
>>
>>On Jul 12, 2009, at 4:21 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I'm sure it isn't cheap, but who can argue with this antenna in your
>>>neighborhood (or even realize it *is* an antenna mast) even though
>>>it might
>>>be over 100 feet tall?
>>>
>>>www.envirocom.co.za/products.htm#PINE TREE MAST
>>>
>>>Unfortunately for us Yanks, they aren't made in the USA AFAIK
>>>
>>>Ron AC7AC
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[hf4me]

I think you have hinted at the REAL problem.  It isn't that they can see the
tower and think they are ugly at all.  It is that they "know" what they are
and just do not like them (NIMBY).

73, Jim

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From: "Brian Alsop" <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] A Solution for Antenna-Restricted Hams?

> These things are great in concept.   However, a large amount of the
> stealth is lost in the 6 months of site prep and erection of them.
> Thye would be fine if they just grew overnight.
>
> Every one I've seen stuck out as a sore thumb.  You need them to be
> located in a forest of same type "structures".
>
> 73 de Brian/K3KO
>
> David Y. wrote:
>
>>Here in Tucson, The Larson Company (http://www.utilitycamo.com/) is very
>>successful making all sorts of "camoflauged" antenna structures.  Fake
>>saguaro cactus designs are quite popular.  Unfortunately, this stuff isn't
>>cheap!  Disguising cellphone towers is a big part of their business, but
>>they do all sorts of exotic things.
>>
>>Dave W7AQK
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Bob Nielsen" <[hidden email]>
>>To: "elecraft List" <[hidden email]>
>>Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 4:35 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] A Solution for Antenna-Restricted Hams?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>There are similar solutions available from US manufacturers, for
>>>example:
>>>
>>>http://www.utilitycamo.com/
>>>
>>>When I lived in Tucson, there was a saguaro cactus cell phone tower
>>>nearby.  I never could figure out why they went to the expense, since
>>>there was a telephone pole adjacent to the stealth installation.
>>>
>>>Bob, N7XY
>>>
>>>On Jul 12, 2009, at 4:21 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I'm sure it isn't cheap, but who can argue with this antenna in your
>>>>neighborhood (or even realize it *is* an antenna mast) even though
>>>>it might
>>>>be over 100 feet tall?
>>>>
>>>>www.envirocom.co.za/products.htm#PINE TREE MAST
>>>>
>>>>Unfortunately for us Yanks, they aren't made in the USA AFAIK
>>>>
>>>>Ron AC7AC
>>>>
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[daleputnam]

Lessee..... four square for 160.... would be....

so that would be..... about xxxx sq foot.....

and a roof over that.. with walls... inbetween....

adjust for the added capacitance of the internal stuff...you know.. sofas.. bathrooms...

tables... walls.. windows.... although windows wouldn't cause much effect.. so it would be good to have more of them.... so... now for the garage...

ok... .. to plan a garage would be.... simple...

a four square for 80.... .. is so... by so....

follow the same process....

now for the dog house....

uh..... oh.. ok.. got it... a four square for 40....

lessee... anything else? ...
oh sure.. a shelter for the cat.... easy.. four square on 20.

 

now... there you go.. hidden antennas... site prep to include a ground grid under all...

and of course the height becomes a multi storied arrangement.. but then you would only have to explain that the elevator is broken and sure the view is great.. but it is such a climb up the stairway...

now.. how many stories? ........ that would be... somewhere near 20 stories.. but that can be lowered by cathedral ceilings... and the like...

 

ok.. so there you go... and for the other bands?.... that would be the out buildings... ... you know.. garden storage... greenhouse... tool shed... barn.... but you can't have too many animals.. they control that too...

 

But one last question.. if you build it... are you going to have any neighbors worth their salt.. and worth the trouble to invite over?
--... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy


 

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[Phil Kane-2]

On 7/12/2009 4:35 PM, Bob Nielsen wrote:

> When I lived in Tucson, there was a saguaro cactus cell phone tower
> nearby.  I never could figure out why they went to the expense, since
> there was a telephone pole adjacent to the stealth installation.

  Telephone poles are not subject to Wireless Communications
  Facilities ordinances.  Mobile phone antennas are.

  Planning and zoning people live in a different universe from
  most of us.

--  73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
    Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402
    ARRL Volunteer Counsel
    ARRL Volunteer Consulting Engineer

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On 7/12/2009 4:21 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:

> I'm sure it isn't cheap, but who can argue with this antenna in
> your neighborhood (or even realize it *is* an antenna mast) even
> though it might be over 100 feet tall?
>
> www.envirocom.co.za/products.htm#PINE TREE MAST
>
> Unfortunately for us Yanks, they aren't made in the USA AFAIK

  There are equivalent "stealth" antennas used in the mobile
  phone industry, and each is custom designed for the application.
  The design and installation price of those make a fully-equipped
  K3 seem like pocket change, ditto for hiring someone like me to
  litigate for the permits necessary to erect same in a residential
  district, PRB-1 notwithstanding.

--  73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
    Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402
    ARRL Volunteer Counsel
    ARRL Voluntary Consulting Engineer


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