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chris Pickett

A confession

Gary,

Take time out, study the manual learn to embrace the modern features and
play, play and play some more
to learn your way around. You have taken the tests, passed the exams etc so
practice what has been preached.

Get rid of the big rice box, keep the TS590s (best value on the ham market
today) for back up or field day.

Then just fall in love with your K3 - simples.

Very 73
Chris
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mikerodgerske5gbc

Re: A confession

The major thing he alluded to, I agree with. Elecraft needs more stable firmware and displays.

I may be wrong but it seems there are too many instances of hiccups, bumps or whatever.

I have a friend looking to buy and did not recommend the k3 without those disclaimers.

73
Mike R

RIP- Mr 500. STP's Andy Granatelli from racing fans everywhere.
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Ken G Kopp

Re: A confession

Hmmmm ... My K3 (S/N 0056) has never missed a beat, so to speak.

Firmware updates have always gone smoothly. It sees heavy contest usage,
FD, and sometimes travels in an RV with "dirty" 12V / solar / wind power,
etc.

Could you elaborate about what you meant to say? "More stable firmware and
displays" and "Hickups. bumps or whatever" ... hard to be more vague than
that!! (;-)

You did your friend a disservice.

73 !

Ken - K0PP
On Feb 10, 2014 7:01 AM, <[hidden email]> wrote:

> The major thing he alluded to, I agree with. Elecraft needs more stable
> firmware and displays.
>
> I may be wrong but it seems there are too many instances of hiccups, bumps
> or whatever.
>
> I have a friend looking to buy and did not recommend the k3 without those
> disclaimers.
>
> 73
> Mike R
>
> RIP- Mr 500. STP's Andy Granatelli from racing fans everywhere.
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Phil Wheeler-2

Re: A confession

In reply to this post by mikerodgerske5gbc

Mike, it seems that simply bypassing the beta
versions would avoid such issues re F/W. But I
don't get the "displays" comment.

My criterion would be to have only mods which
require no disassembly, soldering, etc. -- which
can happen early on. I don't yet have one, but I
reckon the K3 should be past that stage by now.

73, Phil

On 2/10/14, 6:01 AM, [hidden email]
wrote:

> The major thing he alluded to, I agree with. Elecraft needs more stable firmware and displays.
>
> I may be wrong but it seems there are too many instances of hiccups, bumps or whatever.
>
> I have a friend looking to buy and did not recommend the k3 without those disclaimers.
>
> 73
> Mike R
>
>

Don Wilhelm-4

Re: A confession

In reply to this post by mikerodgerske5gbc

Mike,

I believe if you carefully examine the reports of "hiccups, bumps, and
whatever", you will find that many (if not most) of them are the result
of computer setup with the various logging and rig control applications
that users attempt to set up or use with the K3. Another area of
frequent "problem reports" is connections to a digital interface of some
sort.

These are not K3 problems, but problems users have had setting up and
using those applications and accessories and the computer problems which
result.

The K3 has wisely chosen to 'put its computers' (microprocessors) inside
the K3. There are very few real problems with the K3 loaded with
production level firmware. There is no dependency on a variety of
computers coupled with a variety of operating systems. The Utility
programs do need a computer to run, but are normally not needed for
other than firmware loads and saving the configuration. The Utility
programs do provide several user conveniences for things like loading CW
memories more easily than doing it with the K3 alone - use of those
added Utility features is optional and is the user's choice.

The K3 hardware has been quite solid for a long time now.

Yes, there are user questions that come up here frequently that are
easily resolved through questions here on the reflector, and yes if you
look at the problems that are revealed by those who load beta firmware,
you may find some problem reports - but that is what beta firmware is
all about, and only those who are willing to try it and report any
problems should be using a beta version.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/10/2014 9:01 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
> The major thing he alluded to, I agree with. Elecraft needs more stable firmware and displays.
>
> I may be wrong but it seems there are too many instances of hiccups, bumps or whatever.
>
> I have a friend looking to buy and did not recommend the k3 without those disclaimers.
>
>

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Ken G Kopp

Re: A confession

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Mike,

It's occurred to me that I should ask ...

Do you have / use an Elecraft radio? If so, have you had a "firmware" ...
or "display" issue with it and did you ask for and / or receive help? I
have the impression you're just echoing other poster's comments.
On Feb 10, 2014 7:01 AM, <[hidden email]> wrote:

Keith Heimbold

Re: A confession

In reply to this post by mikerodgerske5gbc

As someone coming back to the K3 family, the only hiccups I ever had with my K3s were operator error induced like trying to load new firmware through a virtual port.

No issues whatsoever with displays or firmware unless you consider some minor degradation of CW decode functionality a few years ago in one of the later firmware upgrades but that was fixed shortly thereafter by the Elecraft team and I went back to the previous version anyway during that time between fixings. You won't get that kind of support from any other rig manufacturer.

Keith
AK6ZZ

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> On Feb 10, 2014, at 6:01 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
>
> The major thing he alluded to, I agree with. Elecraft needs more stable firmware and displays.
>
> I may be wrong but it seems there are too many instances of hiccups, bumps or whatever.
>
> I have a friend looking to buy and did not recommend the k3 without those disclaimers.
>
> 73
> Mike R
>
> RIP- Mr 500. STP's Andy Granatelli from racing fans everywhere.
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Fred Smith-2

Re: A confession

In reply to this post by Don Wilhelm-4

I've watched this thread now for several days and finally decided to
comment. I have owned several very good rigs in the past and when I bought
my first K3 I still owned a FTDX-5000MP and a FTDX-1000 Field well equipped
in a SO2R setup using MicroHAM products. I had owned the 5000 for about 2
yrs. the 2nd one delivered in the US I bought the K3 (used) on a whim one
day as I wanted to see what they were all about. The 5000 was and still is
very close to the top of the pile for transceivers on any lists that count .
The K3 I bought had been stripped down to sell all it had was the stock 2.7
5 pole filter and an IF out. The first thing I did was set it up on a A/B
switch with the 5000 so all 5 of my antennas could be used by both and
making them easy to compare.

Long story short after 3 mo. I sold both the 5000 and the 1000 and bought a
loaded K3 then had both in the SO2R. You ask why, was it a much better
performer, no, ( and yes the second receiver is the best made though) was it
the looks, no, none of these things. It was Elecraft the company period
support, upgrades, parts for every radio they have ever produced even at
times sending you a small part for free. Can you name me a single company
that does all of those plus updates for their products always something new
or requested thank God for SDR's and companies who really keep up with them
and listen to the customer.

Hell I could go on for a stupid amount of time and server space but most all
reading know all of this already, preaching to the choir.

Oh yes I do now own a few other Elecraft products as well, all because of
one used radio.

73,
Fred/N0AZZ
K3 Ser # 6730--KX3 # 5210--K2/100 # 6470-KAT100
P3/SVGA--KAT500--W2
Amps Elecraft KPA500 HF/6m--Alpha's 9500 HF--87A HF--Mirage B-5030-G
300+w--(2) B-5016-G's 165w 2m

-----Original Message-----
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To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] A confession

Mike,

I believe if you carefully examine the reports of "hiccups, bumps, and
whatever", you will find that many (if not most) of them are the result of
computer setup with the various logging and rig control applications that
users attempt to set up or use with the K3. Another area of frequent
"problem reports" is connections to a digital interface of some sort.

These are not K3 problems, but problems users have had setting up and using
those applications and accessories and the computer problems which result.

The K3 has wisely chosen to 'put its computers' (microprocessors) inside the
K3. There are very few real problems with the K3 loaded with production
level firmware. There is no dependency on a variety of computers coupled
with a variety of operating systems. The Utility programs do need a
computer to run, but are normally not needed for other than firmware loads
and saving the configuration. The Utility programs do provide several user
conveniences for things like loading CW memories more easily than doing it
with the K3 alone - use of those added Utility features is optional and is
the user's choice.

The K3 hardware has been quite solid for a long time now.

Yes, there are user questions that come up here frequently that are easily
resolved through questions here on the reflector, and yes if you look at the
problems that are revealed by those who load beta firmware, you may find
some problem reports - but that is what beta firmware is all about, and only
those who are willing to try it and report any problems should be using a
beta version.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/10/2014 9:01 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
> The major thing he alluded to, I agree with. Elecraft needs more stable
firmware and displays.
>
> I may be wrong but it seems there are too many instances of hiccups, bumps
or whatever.
>
> I have a friend looking to buy and did not recommend the k3 without those
disclaimers.
>
>

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k6dgw

Re: A confession

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Hmmm ... Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. We are not however
each entitled to our own facts.

The latest K3 Firmware Production Release on the website is 4.67 with a
release date of 16 April 2013 -- coming up on a year old.

Beta software/firmware versions are versions-in-test. Developers have
tested all the changes as best they can. The developer however, is at
the less effective end of the testing spectrum, just as proofreading
your own compositions usually results in misteaks slipping through. The
current K3 Beta Firmware is 4.81, just released.

Installing Beta firmware makes you part of the Test Team. You *will*
find problems, along with all your comrades on the Beta Test Team.
That's not the fault of the developers, it's just life. If you want
stable, fully-tested firmware in your radio, don't join the Test Team.

My K3 [#642] is running 4.58 which was the Production Release when I
installed it, after a fairly lengthy beta test period. It has been
completely stable, no "hiccups, bumps, or whatever."

I read all the release notes for K3 production firmware releases. So
far, nothing beyond 4.58 has contained any changes/additions that affect
my station configuration. When one comes along that does affect my
configuration, I'll evaluate whether or not I need/want the
features/capabilities of that release.

I have chosen not to join the Elecraft Beta Test Team. Everyone can
make the same choice ... or not. It is a choice that each of us get to
make, and it, like practically every choice in life, carries consequences.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014
- www.cqp.org
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On 2/10/2014 6:01 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
> The major thing he alluded to, I agree with. Elecraft needs more stable firmware and displays.
>
> I may be wrong but it seems there are too many instances of hiccups, bumps or whatever.
>
> I have a friend looking to buy and did not recommend the k3 without those disclaimers.

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mikerodgerske5gbc

Re: A confession

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Ken,

Yes,I have a Elecraft radio thank you very much.

I misspoke about the display but I have had some issues, not as many as some. I have received help as well.

I'm sure there is a tendency to confuse beta with non beta. That's pretty hard to do unless you keep a list.

I like the radio, I'd just like it to be more rock solid. Apparently some or many think it already is.

73
Mike R

RIP- Mr 500. STP's Andy Granatelli from racing fans everywhere.

On Feb 10, 2014, at 10:11 AM, Ken G Kopp <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Mike,
>
> It's occurred to me that I should ask ...
>
> Do you have / use an Elecraft radio? If so, have you had a "firmware" ... or "display" issue with it and did you ask for and / or receive help? I have the impression you're just echoing other poster's comments.
>
> On Feb 10, 2014 7:01 AM, <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> The major thing he alluded to, I agree with. Elecraft needs more stable firmware and displays.
>>
>> I may be wrong but it seems there are too many instances of hiccups, bumps or whatever.
>>
>> I have a friend looking to buy and did not recommend the k3 without those disclaimers.
>>
>> 73
>> Mike R
>>
>> RIP- Mr 500. STP's Andy Granatelli from racing fans everywhere.
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Rose

Re: A confession

Hi Mike !

What would make it "more rock solid" in your view?
What about the radio and / or production firmware isn't?

73!

Ken Kopp - K0PP

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 11:20 AM, <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Ken,
>
> Yes,I have a Elecraft radio thank you very much.
>
> I misspoke about the display but I have had some issues, not as many as
> some. I have received help as well.
>
> I'm sure there is a tendency to confuse beta with non beta. That's pretty
> hard to do unless you keep a list.
>
> I like the radio, I'd just like it to be more rock solid. Apparently some
> or many think it already is.
>
> 73
> Mike R
>
> RIP- Mr 500. STP's Andy Granatelli from racing fans everywhere.
>
> On Feb 10, 2014, at 10:11 AM, Ken G Kopp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Mike,
> >
> > It's occurred to me that I should ask ...
> >
> > Do you have / use an Elecraft radio? If so, have you had a "firmware"
> ... or "display" issue with it and did you ask for and / or receive help?
> I have the impression you're just echoing other poster's comments.
> >
> > On Feb 10, 2014 7:01 AM, <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> The major thing he alluded to, I agree with. Elecraft needs more stable
> firmware and displays.
> >>
> >> I may be wrong but it seems there are too many instances of hiccups,
> bumps or whatever.
> >>
> >> I have a friend looking to buy and did not recommend the k3 without
> those disclaimers.
> >>
> >> 73
> >> Mike R
> >>
> >> RIP- Mr 500. STP's Andy Granatelli from racing fans everywhere.
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Jim Brown-10

Unstable Radio? -- Not!

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On 2/10/2014 10:20 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
> I like the radio, I'd just like it to be more rock solid. Apparently some or many think it already is.

Most owners DO consider the K3 to be a mature product with good
reliability. That said, NO product that any of us can afford to own
without taking a second mortgage on a big house will be 99.999% reliable
-- that's MIL-spec reliability, and it comes at FAR greater cost.

But the question I find far more telling -- is there another ham rig you
can buy and speak directly, via email, with the two owners of the
company that designed, built, and sold it, and who have a business model
of supporting their products with upgrades that are either free or cheap
for as along as they are breathing?

73, Jim K9YC
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mikerodgerske5gbc

Re: A confession

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The LPA board protection for one. This occurs usually when using some amps.

The tell tale is reduced output and TX Gain calibration unsuccessfull.

73
Mike R

RIP- Mr 500. STP's Andy Granatelli from racing fans everywhere.

On Feb 10, 2014, at 12:27 PM, Rose <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Hi Mike !
>
> What would make it "more rock solid" in your view?
> What about the radio and / or production firmware isn't?
>
> 73!
>
> Ken Kopp - K0PP
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 11:20 AM, <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Ken,
>>
>> Yes,I have a Elecraft radio thank you very much.
>>
>> I misspoke about the display but I have had some issues, not as many as some. I have received help as well.
>>
>> I'm sure there is a tendency to confuse beta with non beta. That's pretty hard to do unless you keep a list.
>>
>> I like the radio, I'd just like it to be more rock solid. Apparently some or many think it already is.
>>
>> 73
>> Mike R
>>
>> RIP- Mr 500. STP's Andy Granatelli from racing fans everywhere.
>>
>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 10:11 AM, Ken G Kopp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> > Mike,
>> >
>> > It's occurred to me that I should ask ...
>> >
>> > Do you have / use an Elecraft radio? If so, have you had a "firmware" ... or "display" issue with it and did you ask for and / or receive help? I have the impression you're just echoing other poster's comments.
>> >
>> > On Feb 10, 2014 7:01 AM, <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >> The major thing he alluded to, I agree with. Elecraft needs more stable firmware and displays.
>> >>
>> >> I may be wrong but it seems there are too many instances of hiccups, bumps or whatever.
>> >>
>> >> I have a friend looking to buy and did not recommend the k3 without those disclaimers.
>> >>
>> >> 73
>> >> Mike R
>> >>
>> >> RIP- Mr 500. STP's Andy Granatelli from racing fans everywhere.
>> >> ______________________________________________________________
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Josh Fiden

Re: A confession

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If someone is not intimately familiar with the K3's behavior, and
prepared to look for and document bugs, I don't understand why they
would install BETA firmware.

I've had limited operational time with my K3/P3 and therefore would be
uncertain if behavior was a bug or cockpit error. My interest is
occasional contesting and 6m. Running beta firmware is not consistent
with my activities. I updated once about a year after the radio was put
into service, and will do again because there's a feature in the latest
vers that I want.

It's unclear from postings whether the issues are related to beta
firmware releases or not. If they are, then you got what you signed up for!

73,
Josh W6XU

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> The major thing he alluded to, I agree with. Elecraft needs more stable firmware and displays.
>
> I may be wrong but it seems there are too many instances of hiccups, bumps or whatever.

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David Gilbert

Re: A confession

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You still haven't explained what you feel isn't "rock solid" about the
radio ...

Dave AB7E

On 2/10/2014 11:20 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

> Ken,
>
> Yes,I have a Elecraft radio thank you very much.
>
> I misspoke about the display but I have had some issues, not as many as some. I have received help as well.
>
> I'm sure there is a tendency to confuse beta with non beta. That's pretty hard to do unless you keep a list.
>
> I like the radio, I'd just like it to be more rock solid. Apparently some or many think it already is.
>
> 73
> Mike R

Doug Turnbull

Re: A confession

In reply to this post by mikerodgerske5gbc

Friends,
Surely you can understand that there are going to be hiccups with Beta
firmware. I seldom use Beta Firmware because I want to avoid hiccups.
Then even with the final version of the update there are people using the
products in so many different iterations that there may well be items they
wish were different. Perhaps these too are hiccups. I think you would
find the same thing with the TT Orion II which I presently own. Perhaps
the major difference being that Elecraft continues to develop the K3 while I
think the Orion II is passing from production.

I am so grateful for the development policy of Elecraft. If I
thought the K3 was shortly to be bypassed by a newer rig then I would not
have encouraged a good French Ham friend to purchase one. It greatly
pleases me to see that the K2 is approaching 7k something with its number
and that the K3 has passed 8K for serial number.

I also use the KX1 and KX3. The KX1 is not so much an SDR though it
too has been updated - nice wee rig. I must admit that what Wayne said is
true the KX3 is not much larger. Perhaps twice the volume but all bands
and modes with a speaker - it does it all. I managed FT5ZM this morning
on 12M CW running 5 W using this great rig. This on the third call.

So with respect Elecraft let the wind blow through your hair and
continue along the path you have pioneered. You are blowing them all to
the side. No obsolescence, oh I like your approach. For me the reason to
own a K3 is almost as much the company as the radio. You guys have a great
philosophy and approach to engineering.

One man's opinion and others have theirs. I learn from all of
you. Enjoy your radios and keep up the commentary.

73 Doug EI2CN

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] A confession

The major thing he alluded to, I agree with. Elecraft needs more stable
firmware and displays.

I may be wrong but it seems there are too many instances of hiccups, bumps
or whatever.

I have a friend looking to buy and did not recommend the k3 without those
disclaimers.

73
Mike R

RIP- Mr 500. STP's Andy Granatelli from racing fans everywhere.
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