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ARRL RTTY Roundup

Tom Hoedjes
Hi there

My first contest action with K3 #29 was the RU last weekend

managed to be on the air for a couple of houres on 20 meters

With a 50 feet long wire worked 18 countries and 12 US States from HB9-land

Pretty frustrated that i could copy a lot of stations deep in the qrm/noise in RTTY but they didnt hear me.. must be a darn good receiver..hi

Next thing to do: put up
a decent antenna.

Hp to wk u in the next rtty test.

73 de Tom



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Re: ARRL RTTY Roundup

w0mu
Thanks for the report.

I am anxious to get my K3 and 200 kc roofing filter for the RTTY contests!
Adjacent big signal qrm does curious things to your ability to copy good
print.

Mike W0MU


On 1/7/08 6:23 AM, "Tom" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi there
>
> My first contest action with K3 #29 was the RU last weekend
>
> managed to be on the air for a couple of houres on 20 meters
>
> With a 50 feet long wire worked 18 countries and 12 US States from HB9-land
>
> Pretty frustrated that i could copy a lot of stations deep in the qrm/noise in
> RTTY but they didnt hear me.. must be a darn good receiver..hi
>
> Next thing to do: put up
> a decent antenna.
>
> Hp to wk u in the next rtty test.
>
> 73 de Tom
>
>


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Re: ARRL RTTY Roundup

Tom Hammond-2
In reply to this post by Tom Hoedjes
Hi tom:

>My first contest action with K3 #29 was the RU last weekend
>
>managed to be on the air for a couple of houres on 20 meters
>
>With a 50 feet long wire worked 18 countries and 12 US States
>from HB9-land
>
>Pretty frustrated that i could copy a lot of stations deep in
>the qrm/noise in RTTY but they didnt hear me.. must be a darn
>good receiver.. hi
>
>Next thing to do: put up a decent antenna.
>
>Hp to wk u in the next rtty test.

Congratulations on  being active in the RTTY RU.

There were a number of stations I called but could not work either.
I think much of the problem was they THEY were being called by many
others as well and my signal was not the strongest of the bunch.  I
did not stick around many time to make multiple calls to a station,
if I did not work him on the 3rd call, I moved on. I suspect that if
I had been more tenacious at calling, eventually he'd have heard me
and I'd have worked him... <G>

Ed, W0YK, was operating SO2R (two K3's) from P49X... from his QSO
total, I suspect he may well have WON the entire contest...! I heard
no QSO totals anywhere even close to Ed's 2500 Q's... at least so far.

I operated without any external logging support, using only the K3's
CW-to-RTTY conversion features and its internal RTTY decoding. Working
stations was NO PROBLEM AT ALL... tuning them in using the K3's dual
passband RTTY tuning option was as easy as anything and then having
the exchange pre-programmed into a couple memories allowed me to just
punch the button and go... when someone asked for a 'fill' I just
sent it with the CW paddles and completed the contact.

My 'effort' was something less than 'sterling' but I did knock out
20 or so Q's in a very short amount of time. Lots of fun.

73,

Tom Hammond   N0SS

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RE: ARRL RTTY Roundup

Ed Muns, W0YK
> Ed, W0YK, was operating SO2R (two K3's) from P49X... from his QSO
> total, I suspect he may well have WON the entire contest...! I heard
> no QSO totals anywhere even close to Ed's 2500 Q's... at least so far.

I would have preferred to use two K3's, but chose not to subject them to TSA
on the trip down (and back).  One I could hand-carry, but two is a bit much.
Checked luggage is a crap shoot with TSA now.  Even the TailTwister rotor,
new in the box, that I had inside a suitcase, had parts and accessories
removed from the factory packing and not returned but just tossed in the
suitcase.  I really don't want to subject my K3's to that kind of handling.

However, the ICOM 756ProII's that we have down here worked great.  Prior to
the K3, it was my favorite RTTY radio.  Ultimately, I'd like to have two
K3's down here permanently, but let's not start another K3 availability
thread over this comment!

73,
Ed - P49X (W0YK)

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Re: ARRL RTTY Roundup

WA7CS
In reply to this post by Tom Hoedjes
After a week of building a new K1, I was anxious to try it out and get on the air.

Imagine my dismay when all I could hear was a racous cacaphony of RTTY splatter from 7.025 to 7.100.  Similarly 14.060 was also RTTY hell.

I was even pushed off of 10.130 (WARC) by an incessant RTTY "CQ TEST".

I wonder what drives the ritty boys to swamp the traditional CW bands and wipe out the QRP calling freqs - oh yes, now I remember, the ARRL has deemed CW as non-relevant.

Renewal of my ARRL membership is becoming less and less attractive.

WA7CS
ARRL member since 1970
ARRL EWA HF Awards Manager
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Re: ARRL RTTY Roundup

DW Holtman
Hello,

I have been a long time member of the ARRL, but I'm begining to think the
same way. Are they really supporting the operating that I do? I really don't
know. But, I'm more inclined to think they are headed down a road that I
don't want to follow.

Best,
DW Holtman
WB7SSN

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From: "WA7CS" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ARRL RTTY Roundup


>
> After a week of building a new K1, I was anxious to try it out and get on
> the
> air.
>
> Imagine my dismay when all I could hear was a racous cacaphony of RTTY
> splatter from 7.025 to 7.100.  Similarly 14.060 was also RTTY hell.
>
> I was even pushed off of 10.130 (WARC) by an incessant RTTY "CQ TEST".
>
> I wonder what drives the ritty boys to swamp the traditional CW bands and
> wipe out the QRP calling freqs - oh yes, now I remember, the ARRL has
> deemed
> CW as non-relevant.
>
> Renewal of my ARRL membership is becoming less and less attractive.
>
> WA7CS
> ARRL member since 1970
> ARRL EWA HF Awards Manager
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://www.nabble.com/ARRL-RTTY-Roundup-tp14665879p14668697.html
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Re: ARRL RTTY Roundup

Robert 'RC' Conley
Might I suggest that instead of dropping out of the ARRL. Rejoin and
swamp EVERYONE and I mean everyone at ARRL HQ with letters and emails
voicing your concern and opinions on the direction that the ARRL is
heading. Then when elections come vote your concerns and opinions. Now
I don't want to start a major OFF Thread discussion with this. We
should stay the fight and not give up. ONE mans opinion can make a
difference. Just ask Wayne and Eric.
RC kc5wa

On Jan 7, 2008 9:54 AM, DW Holtman <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have been a long time member of the ARRL, but I'm begining to think the
> same way. Are they really supporting the operating that I do? I really don't
> know. But, I'm more inclined to think they are headed down a road that I
> don't want to follow.
>
> Best,
> DW Holtman
> WB7SSN
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "WA7CS" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 8:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ARRL RTTY Roundup
>
>
> >
> > After a week of building a new K1, I was anxious to try it out and get on
> > the
> > air.
> >
> > Imagine my dismay when all I could hear was a racous cacaphony of RTTY
> > splatter from 7.025 to 7.100.  Similarly 14.060 was also RTTY hell.
> >
> > I was even pushed off of 10.130 (WARC) by an incessant RTTY "CQ TEST".
> >
> > I wonder what drives the ritty boys to swamp the traditional CW bands and
> > wipe out the QRP calling freqs - oh yes, now I remember, the ARRL has
> > deemed
> > CW as non-relevant.
> >
> > Renewal of my ARRL membership is becoming less and less attractive.
> >
> > WA7CS
> > ARRL member since 1970
> > ARRL EWA HF Awards Manager
> >
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> > http://www.nabble.com/ARRL-RTTY-Roundup-tp14665879p14668697.html
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Re: ARRL RTTY Roundup

Vic K2VCO
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WA7CS wrote:

> I was even pushed off of 10.130 (WARC) by an incessant RTTY "CQ TEST".

Any contacts that this fellow made here would certainly not count, since
the rules specify 80, 40, 20, 15, and 10 meters only.

Anyway, this part of the band is normally used for digital modes, so
it's likely you would have this problem even if there weren't a contest.
The QRP calling frequency on 30 meters is 10.106 MHz.

> I wonder what drives the ritty boys to swamp the traditional CW bands and
> wipe out the QRP calling freqs - oh yes, now I remember, the ARRL has deemed
> CW as non-relevant.
>
> Renewal of my ARRL membership is becoming less and less attractive.

It really has nothing to do with the ARRL, except peripherally in that
ARRL sponsors 8 contests per year (including VHF contests).

International SSB contests also swamp CW frequencies, and big CW
contests swamp digital mode frequencies.  The RTTY contest is one of the
least intrusive; I made numerous CW contacts over the weekend without
any problems.
--
73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco

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Re: ARRL RTTY Roundup

Buck - k4ia
In reply to this post by Tom Hoedjes
Can we redirect this to talk about the  K3?

1.  Using the K3, I have no problem working CW amidst the RTTY  contesters.  
Just narrow the filter and ignore them.  You cause them  more grief than they
cause you.  

2.  I listened to RTTY a bit  as DATA A and FSK but found the default filter
setting to be too narrow - I  could only see one station at a time.  It might
work well if you were  running but for S&P, I needed the wide filter.  When I
widened the  filter, the AGC caused a desense of the spectrum when a big
signal fired  up.  I was using Winwarbler for the RTTY engine.  I guess the answer  
is to compromise on a 1khz roofing filter?

Any comments?  What do  you find to be the best combination for RTTY?

k4ia
Craig  "Buck"
Fredericksburg, Virginia
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Re: ARRL RTTY Roundup

Jerry Flanders
At 12:13 PM 1/7/2008, [hidden email] wrote:
>... I listened to RTTY a bit  as DATA A and FSK but found the default filter
>setting to be too narrow - I  could only see one station at a time.  It might
>work well if you were  running but for S&P, I needed the wide filter.  When I
>widened the  filter, the AGC caused a desense of the spectrum when a big
>signal fired  up.  I was using Winwarbler for the RTTY engine.  I
>guess the answer
>is to compromise on a 1khz roofing filter?

I think the answer is a good panadaptor. Look into using the
softrock40 and PowerSDR combo - excellent panadaptor. This will let
you actually see the individual sigs and see what type they are (rtty
or CW, e.g.). When my K3 gets here I will be working on this first.
Search on powersdr test drive to see the panadaptor in action. Also
search on softrock and k3 panadaptor.

Jerry W4UK

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Re: ARRL RTTY Roundup

w0mu
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30m was not used in the RTTY Round up.

Just where would you like the RTTY stations to go?

The ARRL band plans suggest...Suggest the following for normal everyday use.

3570-3600
7040, 7080-7125
10130-10140
14070-14095

The FCC allows USA hams to operate RTTY on the following frequencies.

3500-3600
7000-7125
10100-10150
14000-14150

It appears that all this RTTY activity is clearly within the rules.

The Roundup was for 24 hours and the RTTY operators used lots of bandwidth
that for the most part goes unused.

There are always a few hams that seem to think they own certain frequencies
and get upset when they are used by other amateurs for other purposes for
brief periods of time.

I guess the fun of the many have to be sacrificed for the few?

Riley Hollingsworth, Chief Counsel for the FCC, spoke at great lengths about
this type of attitude the last two years at Dayton.  I think you can find it
at the ARRL site or even on Youtube or other ham web pages.  It is worth the
few minutes of time to hear what he has to say.

The extra portions of the bands were for the most part RTTY free.  Many
amateur bands did not have any contest activity on them at all.  12, 17,
160, 60, 2, 6 etc.

There were plenty of CW signals to copy outside the RTTY areas.

I suspect your complaints are not targeted at just the RTTY crowd but
probably at contesting in general.  This same contesting that gets people to
use 10m at the minimums and utilizes a good portion of our bands on a
regular basis which helps keep our claims to these frequencies. This same
contesting group which is a huge buying force in Ham radio and a huge force
to bring on new ideas and rigs such as the K3.

RTTY is one part of the hobby and so is SSTV, QRP, SSB, AM, PSK etc.  If
contests are that troublesome find a non contest band or simply turn off
your radio for the weekend and mow the lawn etc.




On 1/7/08 8:40 AM, "WA7CS" <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> After a week of building a new K1, I was anxious to try it out and get on the
> air.
>
> Imagine my dismay when all I could hear was a racous cacaphony of RTTY
> splatter from 7.025 to 7.100.  Similarly 14.060 was also RTTY hell.
>
> I was even pushed off of 10.130 (WARC) by an incessant RTTY "CQ TEST".
>
> I wonder what drives the ritty boys to swamp the traditional CW bands and
> wipe out the QRP calling freqs - oh yes, now I remember, the ARRL has deemed
> CW as non-relevant.
>
> Renewal of my ARRL membership is becoming less and less attractive.
>
> WA7CS
> ARRL member since 1970
> ARRL EWA HF Awards Manager


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Re: ARRL RTTY Roundup

WILLIS COOKE
Talk about leaving yourself wide open!  Be careful
what you ask, you might not like the answer!

--- Mike Fatchett W0MU <[hidden email]> wrote:


>
> Just where would you like the RTTY stations to go?
>
>
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Re: ARRL RTTY Roundup [END of Thread]

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ
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Guys - Let's end this thread.

73, Eric  WA6HHQ
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WILLIS COOKE wrote:
> Talk about leaving yourself wide open!  Be careful
> what you ask, you might not like the answer!
>
> --- Mike Fatchett W0MU <[hidden email]> wrote:
>  
>> Just where would you like the RTTY stations to go?
>>    
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Re: ARRL RTTY Roundup

w5tvw
In reply to this post by w0mu
The 7040, and 7080-7125 has existed for some time now as an existing
":Gentlemen's agreement".  The 7040 spot was specifically provided for
working DX in Region 1 where these people cannot operate above 7100.  Ditto
for the 20 meter band from 14070-14150 etc.  This band plan was specifically
provided to keep CW stations off the 'digital' frequencies and RTTY stations
off the CW segments that are being frequently invaded by RTTY contesters.
Yes the FCC allows what you say, but is is bad form and "hogs" the entire CW
sub-band during a RTTY contest.  That is the whole idea of seperating
digital and manual CW areas of operation.  If it was once a year there would
be no problem, but the RTTY contests seem to appear every other weekend
nowadays.  I have no problems with contesting as such, but one mode
shouldn't occupy the whole sub-band for frequent contests.  Take for example
the CW QRP groups and the SKCC and FISTS CW groups.  They specify a narrow
band to be used by the contests leaving the rest of the band for
non-contesters or DX hunters.  Most of the other digital modes (except RTTY)
seem to stay inside the Gentlemen's Agreement bandplan.  Why don't the RTTY
contesters do the same?

Unfortunately, a lot of the RTTY crowd seems to think they should have the
whole CW sub band for their contests and ignore any bandplan that gives a
"RTTY free" area to go to for CW communications  (besides the WARC bands!)
IS this too much to ask?


73,

Sandy W5TVW
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From: "Mike Fatchett W0MU" <[hidden email]>
To: "WA7CS" <[hidden email]>; "Elecraft Discussion List"
<[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ARRL RTTY Roundup


> 30m was not used in the RTTY Round up.
>
> Just where would you like the RTTY stations to go?
>
> The ARRL band plans suggest...Suggest the following for normal everyday
> use.
>
> 3570-3600
> 7040, 7080-7125
> 10130-10140
> 14070-14095
>
> The FCC allows USA hams to operate RTTY on the following frequencies.
>
> 3500-3600
> 7000-7125
> 10100-10150
> 14000-14150
>
> It appears that all this RTTY activity is clearly within the rules.
>
> The Roundup was for 24 hours and the RTTY operators used lots of bandwidth
> that for the most part goes unused.
>
> There are always a few hams that seem to think they own certain
> frequencies
> and get upset when they are used by other amateurs for other purposes for
> brief periods of time.
>
> I guess the fun of the many have to be sacrificed for the few?
>
> Riley Hollingsworth, Chief Counsel for the FCC, spoke at great lengths
> about
> this type of attitude the last two years at Dayton.  I think you can find
> it
> at the ARRL site or even on Youtube or other ham web pages.  It is worth
> the
> few minutes of time to hear what he has to say.
>
> The extra portions of the bands were for the most part RTTY free.  Many
> amateur bands did not have any contest activity on them at all.  12, 17,
> 160, 60, 2, 6 etc.
>
> There were plenty of CW signals to copy outside the RTTY areas.
>
> I suspect your complaints are not targeted at just the RTTY crowd but
> probably at contesting in general.  This same contesting that gets people
> to
> use 10m at the minimums and utilizes a good portion of our bands on a
> regular basis which helps keep our claims to these frequencies. This same
> contesting group which is a huge buying force in Ham radio and a huge
> force
> to bring on new ideas and rigs such as the K3.
>
> RTTY is one part of the hobby and so is SSTV, QRP, SSB, AM, PSK etc.  If
> contests are that troublesome find a non contest band or simply turn off
> your radio for the weekend and mow the lawn etc.
>
>
>
>
> On 1/7/08 8:40 AM, "WA7CS" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>
>> After a week of building a new K1, I was anxious to try it out and get on
>> the
>> air.
>>
>> Imagine my dismay when all I could hear was a racous cacaphony of RTTY
>> splatter from 7.025 to 7.100.  Similarly 14.060 was also RTTY hell.
>>
>> I was even pushed off of 10.130 (WARC) by an incessant RTTY "CQ TEST".
>>
>> I wonder what drives the ritty boys to swamp the traditional CW bands and
>> wipe out the QRP calling freqs - oh yes, now I remember, the ARRL has
>> deemed
>> CW as non-relevant.
>>
>> Renewal of my ARRL membership is becoming less and less attractive.
>>
>> WA7CS
>> ARRL member since 1970
>> ARRL EWA HF Awards Manager
>
>
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Re: ARRL RTTY Roundup

N5GE
In reply to this post by WA7CS
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 07:40:31 -0800 (PST), WA7CS wrote:

>
>After a week of building a new K1, I was anxious to try it out and get on the
>air.
>
>Imagine my dismay when all I could hear was a racous cacaphony of RTTY
>splatter from 7.025 to 7.100.  Similarly 14.060 was also RTTY hell.
>
>I was even pushed off of 10.130 (WARC) by an incessant RTTY "CQ TEST".
>
>I wonder what drives the ritty boys to swamp the traditional CW bands and
>wipe out the QRP calling freqs - oh yes, now I remember, the ARRL has deemed
>CW as non-relevant.

Heh, Heh...  I bought a Life membership in 76 for $250. I feel the same as you
about the ARRL's attitude regarding CW, that's why I won't ever drop my
membership.  It's costing THEM to send ME mags now ;o)

>
>Renewal of my ARRL membership is becoming less and less attractive.
>
>WA7CS
>ARRL member since 1970
>ARRL EWA HF Awards Manager


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Re: ARRL RTTY Roundup

Thom LaCosta
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008, Tom Childers, N5GE wrote:

>
> Heh, Heh...  I bought a Life membership in 76 for $250. I feel the same as you
> about the ARRL's attitude regarding CW, that's why I won't ever drop my
> membership.  It's costing THEM to send ME mags now ;o)

I too am a Life Member...so I can't deprive them of my money.  I suspect your
outlook is a realistic one...since the ARRL Board is a mirror of American
politics...there are not enough unhappy voters to make a difference.

What's next after ARRL rings, affinity credit cards for The League, Auto
Insurance?

How about ARRL beer...it could be sold as the real, official, approved 807.

Think of it...hundreds of hams at Dayton with Call Sign adjustable hats, ARRL
rings, sucking down 807s as they charge things to their ARRL branded plastic
money.

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Re: ARRL RTTY Roundup

Jan Erik Holm
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Is this the ARRL reflector?
Or the RTTY reflector?
or the antenna reflector?
or the anything goes reflector?

When I subscribed I had the impression it was
the Elecraft reflector, obviously I was wrong.
Can someone point me to the Elecraft reflector.

/ SM2EKM
----------------------------------------------------
Tom Childers, N5GE wrote:
>>
>> I wonder what drives the ritty boys to swamp the traditional CW bands and
>> wipe out the QRP calling freqs - oh yes, now I remember, the ARRL has deemed
>> CW as non-relevant.
>
> Heh, Heh...  I bought a Life membership in 76 for $250. I feel the same as you
> about the ARRL's attitude regarding CW, that's why I won't ever drop my
> membership.  It's costing THEM to send ME mags now ;o)
>

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Re: ARRL RTTY Roundup

dave.wilburn
Every 6 months or so, a wire antenna thread is started.  I never cease
to learn something new in these threads and enjoy them quite a bit.  

This reflector is an amazing source of knowledge, from those who could
design an amazing radio, while blind drunk, and drawn out on the back of
a cocktail napkin, to those who whistle into the microphone to check
their amp, and everything in-between.  And we all have something we can
learn from each other.  That is what has kept me on this list.
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On Tue, 2008-01-08 at 07:52 +0100, Jan Erik Holm wrote:

> Is this the ARRL reflector?
> Or the RTTY reflector?
> or the antenna reflector?
> or the anything goes reflector?
>
> When I subscribed I had the impression it was
> the Elecraft reflector, obviously I was wrong.
> Can someone point me to the Elecraft reflector.
>
> / SM2EKM
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Tom Childers, N5GE wrote:
> >>
> >> I wonder what drives the ritty boys to swamp the traditional CW bands and
> >> wipe out the QRP calling freqs - oh yes, now I remember, the ARRL has deemed
> >> CW as non-relevant.
> >
> > Heh, Heh...  I bought a Life membership in 76 for $250. I feel the same as you
> > about the ARRL's attitude regarding CW, that's why I won't ever drop my
> > membership.  It's costing THEM to send ME mags now ;o)
> >
>
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