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Ken G Kopp

ATTN: K6CTW

Why did you ask a question if you were going to block / refuse replies? ? ?
!

K0PP

On Aug 8, 2016 9:30 AM, <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I apologize for this automatic reply to your email.
>
> To control spam, I now allow incoming messages only from senders I have
> approved beforehand.
>
> If you would like to be added to my list of approved senders, please fill
> out the short request form (see link below). Once I approve you, I will
> receive your original message in my inbox. You do not need to resend your
> message. I apologize for this one-time inconvenience.
>
> Click the link below to fill out the request:
>
> https://webmail.pas.earthlink.net/wam/addme?a=k6ctw@
> earthlink.net&id=11e6-5d7c-d43f34c8-b884-00144fe245fa
>
>

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Don Wilhelm

Re: ATTN: K6CTW

I was going to respond, but based on the experience below, I will decline.
IMHO, this is a horrid way to operate email.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/8/2016 11:40 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote:

> Why did you ask a question if you were going to block / refuse replies? ? ?
> !
>
> K0PP
>
> On Aug 8, 2016 9:30 AM, <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> I apologize for this automatic reply to your email.
>>
>> To control spam, I now allow incoming messages only from senders I have
>> approved beforehand.
>>
>> If you would like to be added to my list of approved senders, please fill
>> out the short request form (see link below). Once I approve you, I will
>> receive your original message in my inbox. You do not need to resend your
>> message. I apologize for this one-time inconvenience.
>>
>> Click the link below to fill out the request:
>>
>> https://webmail.pas.earthlink.net/wam/addme?a=k6ctw@
>> earthlink.net&id=11e6-5d7c-d43f34c8-b884-00144fe245fa
>>
>>
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Jim Brown-10

Re: ATTN: K6CTW

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Ken and Don,

I think you got this response because you responded direct to the sender
rather than to the Elecraft reflector. Or perhaps you copied his direct
email on a response to the reflector.

I also use a required response spam filter system that catches most
automated junk, but it only requires that you click on a link in the
email you receive from that system. I've used it since my website host
first offered it nearly 20 years ago.

73, Jim K9YC

On Mon,8/8/2016 8:40 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote:
> Why did you ask a question if you were going to block / refuse replies? ? ?

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Clay Autery

Re: ATTN: K6CTW

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He ain't picking on you.... He's obviously got a serious problem with
SPAM and has implemented this server initiated process.

The message is sent to EVERYONE who sends an email to that address who
is NOT on the "WHITELIST".

Once you are on the Whitelist, you won't get the message anymore.

How could he anticipate that YOU personally would respond... :-)

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On 8/8/2016 10:40 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote:
> Why did you ask a question if you were going to block / refuse replies? ? ?
> !
>
> K0PP
>
> On Aug 8, 2016 9:30 AM, <[hidden email]> wrote:
> on
>
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Clay Autery

Re: ATTN: K6CTW

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Not my preference either, but sometimes, if your email provider makes a
mistake or doesn't take proper precautions, you can end up getting
THOUSANDS of SPAM emails a day...

Been there...

Give the guy a break, please.

73,

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On 8/8/2016 10:57 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> I was going to respond, but based on the experience below, I will
> decline.
> IMHO, this is a horrid way to operate email.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>

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Re: ATTN: K6CTW

But greylist is more effective and less like a slap in the face to your friends. He, and others making the same blunder, should seek alternatives.
--
Marc W8SDG

> On Aug 8, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Clay Autery <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Not my preference either, but sometimes, if your email provider makes a
> mistake or doesn't take proper precautions, you can end up getting
> THOUSANDS of SPAM emails a day...
>
> Been there...
>
> Give the guy a break, please.
>
>
> 73,
>
> ______________________
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> (318) 518-1389
>
>> On 8/8/2016 10:57 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> I was going to respond, but based on the experience below, I will
>> decline.
>> IMHO, this is a horrid way to operate email.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>
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NK7Z

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On Mon, 2016-08-08 at 13:34 -0400, Marc Veeneman via Elecraft wrote:
> But greylist is more effective and less like a slap in the face to
> your friends. He, and others making the same blunder, should seek
> alternatives.
Greylist is wonderful and works really, really well...
--
73's, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
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http://www.nk7z.net

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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

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> How could he anticipate that YOU personally would respond... :-)

That's not the point. When you post a general request for help (e.g.,
to a mail list), don't be blocking replies *or* expect someone trying
to help you to go take *extra steps* to respond to an e-mail challenge.

If I get one of those challenges, it automatically goes into my spam
bucket and the person who has asked for help loses out - period. So
too does anyone who has an e-mail provider that blocks my ISP.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 8/8/2016 1:12 PM, Clay Autery wrote:

> He ain't picking on you.... He's obviously got a serious problem with
> SPAM and has implemented this server initiated process.
>
> The message is sent to EVERYONE who sends an email to that address who
> is NOT on the "WHITELIST".
>
> Once you are on the Whitelist, you won't get the message anymore.
>
> How could he anticipate that YOU personally would respond... :-)
>
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
> MONTAC Enterprises
> (318) 518-1389
>
> On 8/8/2016 10:40 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote:
>> Why did you ask a question if you were going to block / refuse replies? ? ?
>> !
>>
>> K0PP
>>
>> On Aug 8, 2016 9:30 AM, <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> on
>>
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Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Re: ATTN: K6CTW

Administrator

Folks - Way too OT. Please take this off list.

In general, this is something that should have gone to direct email immediately
and not tied up the list with email..

Thread closed.

73,
Eric
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On 8/8/2016 11:55 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>
> > How could he anticipate that YOU personally would respond... :-)
>
> That's not the point. When you post a general request for help (e.g.,
> to a mail list), don't be blocking replies *or* expect someone trying
> to help you to go take *extra steps* to respond to an e-mail challenge.

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Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

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To clarify, I'm referring to the thread complaining about the anti-spam system
used by the original requester, not his original post, which was OK.

Eric
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On 8/8/2016 12:10 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:

> Folks - Way too OT. Please take this off list.
>
> In general, this is something that should have gone to direct email
> immediately and not tied up the list with email..
>
> Thread closed.
>
> 73,
> Eric
> Moderator
> /elecraft.com/
>
> On 8/8/2016 11:55 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>>
>> > How could he anticipate that YOU personally would respond... :-)
>>
>> That's not the point. When you post a general request for help (e.g.,
>> to a mail list), don't be blocking replies *or* expect someone trying
>> to help you to go take *extra steps* to respond to an e-mail challenge.
>
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Bill-3

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Personally, I do not like off-list responses - unless they are
solicited. If responses are made on list, we all get to learn. Off list
responses do not help the rest of us at all.

Bill W2BLC K-Line

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Michael Walker

Re: ATTN: K6CTW

I don't mind them, but it is getting out of hand. Seriously. I can't wait
till the the election starts.

I think Elecraft needs 2 reflectors. The broad ranging one, and the very
product specific one.

I'm on 15 different reflectors. This one and 1 other are all over the
place. The rest of very specific and they control it.

my 2 cents

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 3:51 PM, Bill <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Personally, I do not like off-list responses - unless they are solicited.
> If responses are made on list, we all get to learn. Off list responses do
> not help the rest of us at all.
>
> Bill W2BLC K-Line
>
>
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Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT

Re: ATTN: K6CTW

In reply to this post by Clay Autery

Speaking as someone who provided E-Mail services for a couple of
decades, NO.

It's not the provider's fault.

It's the customer who insists that his E-Mail address appear in a web page.

It's the person who forwards jokes and cc's everyone (not bcc, cc) and
never removes the earlier lists.

... and it's your friends, who can't resist opening that trojan horse --
the first thing the trojan does is read their address book and publish it.

My oldest active address is more that two decades old.

It's not the provider's fault, a good provider will try to guide you
away from things that will generate more spam.

73 -- Lynn

On 8/8/2016 10:14 AM, Clay Autery wrote:
> Not my preference either, but sometimes, if your email provider makes a
> mistake or doesn't take proper precautions, you can end up getting
> THOUSANDS of SPAM emails a day...

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Ed Muns

Re: ATTN: K6CTW

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Off-list email reduces postings for everyone. :-)

73,
Ed W0YK
On Aug 8, 2016 12:51 PM, Bill <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Personally, I do not like off-list responses - unless they are
> solicited. If responses are made on list, we all get to learn. Off list
> responses do not help the rest of us at all.
>
> Bill W2BLC K-Line
>
>
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Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Re: ATTN: K6CTW

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In reply to this post by Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT

Folks - This way OT topic was closed over 2 hours ago.

Please, no more posts on the email/Spam filtering topic.

73,
Eric
Moderator
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On 8/8/2016 2:12 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:

> Speaking as someone who provided E-Mail services for a couple of decades, NO.
>
> It's not the provider's fault.
>
> It's the customer who insists that his E-Mail address appear in a web page.
>
> It's the person who forwards jokes and cc's everyone (not bcc, cc) and never
> removes the earlier lists.
>
> ... and it's your friends, who can't resist opening that trojan horse -- the
> first thing the trojan does is read their address book and publish it.
>
> My oldest active address is more that two decades old.
>
> It's not the provider's fault, a good provider will try to guide you away from
> things that will generate more spam.
>
> 73 -- Lynn
>
> On 8/8/2016 10:14 AM, Clay Autery wrote:
>> Not my preference either, but sometimes, if your email provider makes a
>> mistake or doesn't take proper precautions, you can end up getting
>> THOUSANDS of SPAM emails a day...
>
>
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Clay Autery

Re: ATTN: K6CTW

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Dang... tough crowd...

Thought we were supposed to be "helpful" here.

Perhaps you (or one of the other guys) could have explained greylisting
and other options rather than getting all crotchety...

I'm out...

TO THE OP:

IF you see this, feel free to email me directly. I will discuss your
options for combating SPAM, up to and including providing you with a
free email account on one of my servers.

Y'all have a great evening!

73,

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MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389

On 8/8/2016 1:55 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

>
> > How could he anticipate that YOU personally would respond... :-)
>
> That's not the point. When you post a general request for help (e.g.,
> to a mail list), don't be blocking replies *or* expect someone trying
> to help you to go take *extra steps* to respond to an e-mail challenge.
>
> If I get one of those challenges, it automatically goes into my spam
> bucket and the person who has asked for help loses out - period. So
> too does anyone who has an e-mail provider that blocks my ISP.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV