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The US Navy had a number of disaterous episodes with
LTA vehicles (USS Macon & USS Akron) and they were using helium. Too bad the US and Germany were at odds, the combined engineering skills might have left us with a more elegant means of travel. All the accounts I've read of the Graf or Hindenburg have them as the prefered means to travel the Atlantic (if you could afford it). It's amazing how the Hindenburg (perhaps the Nazi ties) has killed the airship travel industry for decades, even tho' the lose of life in HTA vehicles was, even at that time, much higher. There is a move in Europe to reintroduce tourist flights on these elegant airships, hopefully it will catch on. I'd jump on the opportunity to fly in one. Of course, I'd love to fly a Saturn V as well ;o) One may be possible some day soon... Can you imagine 160M Air Mobile? Cheers, Julius n2wn ------------------------------------------------------- I suspect that airships, like Morse code, "shortwave" radio and a lot of other technology some folks assume are obsolete will be with us for a long, long time yet. Maybe we'll even get to work an aircraft mobile aboard a real dirigible again one day! Using CW of course... Ron AC7AC _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Julius Fazekas
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I can imagine 160 meter (or any other band) aeronautical mobile, but remember, it is the operating flight captain's decision as to whether you or I can deploy an antenna, or operate a radio from an aircraft or airship. His decision will be strongly influenced by ICAO and FAA directives on this matter, and company policy. Since I can't even turn on my cell phone until past international security when arriving in another country, I doubt that you will get approval to turn on an amateur band transmitter while looking downward from above.
N7WY, USAF retired ---- J F <[hidden email]> wrote: > The US Navy had a number of disaterous episodes with > LTA vehicles (USS Macon & USS Akron) and they were > using helium. Too bad the US and Germany were at odds, > the combined engineering skills might have left us > with a more elegant means of travel. > > All the accounts I've read of the Graf or Hindenburg > have them as the prefered means to travel the Atlantic > (if you could afford it). > > It's amazing how the Hindenburg (perhaps the Nazi > ties) has killed the airship travel industry for > decades, even tho' the lose of life in HTA vehicles > was, even at that time, much higher. > > There is a move in Europe to reintroduce tourist > flights on these elegant airships, hopefully it will > catch on. I'd jump on the opportunity to fly in one. > Of course, I'd love to fly a Saturn V as well ;o) One > may be possible some day soon... > > Can you imagine 160M Air Mobile? > > Cheers, > Julius > n2wn > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > I suspect that airships, like Morse code, "shortwave" > radio and a lot of other technology some folks assume > are obsolete will be with us for a long, long time > yet. Maybe we'll even get to work an aircraft mobile > aboard a real dirigible again one day! Using CW of > course... > > Ron AC7AC > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Julius Fazekas n2wn
Regarding getting permission to use amateur radio in an aircraft, it helps to know the captain. (See my other posting about flying the Fujifilm blimp.) My last flight in the Fuji blimp was flying around San Diego for 4 hours on the last day of 1996. The co-captains were hams, as were six of the seven passengers. Four of us had 2m handhelds, and we entertained ourselves and others on simplex and through area repeaters during the flight.
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I'm not exactly sure what the FAA rules say about operating HF on blimps,
but I have worked guys who were aeronautical mobile in small private planes. I'm sure the rules could be different for airships. James Kern Network Administrator Kurt S. Adler, Inc. 1107 Broadway New York, NY 10010 212-924-0900 x222 (work) 212-807-0575 (fax) 908-451-6801 (cell) 800-209-7438 (pager) [hidden email] -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of [hidden email] Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 9:57 AM To: [hidden email] Cc: [hidden email]; [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Airships... Regarding getting permission to use amateur radio in an aircraft, it helps to know the captain. (See my other posting about flying the Fujifilm blimp.) My last flight in the Fuji blimp was flying around San Diego for 4 hours on the last day of 1996. The co-captains were hams, as were six of the seven passengers. Four of us had 2m handhelds, and we entertained ourselves and others on simplex and through area repeaters during the flight. --Dave, W6KOW _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Never say never ;o)
It may be difficult to obtain permission, but with proper planning, and probably the right circumstances, it could happen... Of course, someone has to build the ship first, yes? Cheers, Julius n2wn --- [hidden email] wrote: > I can imagine 160 meter (or any other band) > aeronautical mobile, but remember, it is the > operating flight captain's decision as to whether > you or I can deploy an antenna, or operate a radio > from an aircraft or airship. His decision will be > strongly influenced by ICAO and FAA directives on > this matter, and company policy. Since I can't even > turn on my cell phone until past international > security when arriving in another country, I doubt > that you will get approval to turn on an amateur > band transmitter while looking downward from above. > > N7WY, USAF retired > > ---- J F <[hidden email]> wrote: > > The US Navy had a number of disaterous episodes > with > > LTA vehicles (USS Macon & USS Akron) and they were > > using helium. Too bad the US and Germany were at > odds, > > the combined engineering skills might have left us > > with a more elegant means of travel. > > > > All the accounts I've read of the Graf or > Hindenburg > > have them as the prefered means to travel the > Atlantic > > (if you could afford it). > > > > It's amazing how the Hindenburg (perhaps the Nazi > > ties) has killed the airship travel industry for > > decades, even tho' the lose of life in HTA > vehicles > > was, even at that time, much higher. > > > > There is a move in Europe to reintroduce tourist > > flights on these elegant airships, hopefully it > will > > catch on. I'd jump on the opportunity to fly in > one. > > Of course, I'd love to fly a Saturn V as well ;o) > One > > may be possible some day soon... > > > > Can you imagine 160M Air Mobile? > > > > Cheers, > > Julius > > n2wn > > > > > > > > > I suspect that airships, like Morse code, > "shortwave" > > radio and a lot of other technology some folks > assume > > are obsolete will be with us for a long, long time > > yet. Maybe we'll even get to work an aircraft > mobile > > aboard a real dirigible again one day! Using CW of > > course... > > > > Ron AC7AC > > _______________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Post to: [hidden email] > > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Julius Fazekas
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You all can fly in a modern-day Zeppelin, if you go to
Friedrichshafen, the home of the original Zeppelins and the biggest European hamfest. Tourist flights are available, and the airship is very interesting technically. And the ride is very smooth and quiet. http://www.zeppelinflug.de/pages/E/diedzr.htm 73, doug _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Julius Fazekas n2wn
You may get your chance to haul your KX1 or even a K2 aboard a dirigible
yet. Friedrichshafen, where Count von Zeppelin built his famous airships from the LZ 1 that flew in 1900 to the huge Hindenburg in the 1930's is once again producing dirigibles. The company, Zeppelin Luftschifftechnik, is currently focusing on dirigibles for tourism, but plans include airships for long international flights after gaining the necessary regulatory approvals. The prototype Zeppelin NT has an aluminum and carbon-fiber skeleton that is lighter than the Zeppelins of the past, and a skin of Tedlar foil and polyester fabric that is lighter, stronger, and more water resistant than the cotton-based fabrics of the old airships. I haven't kept up with all the latest from Friedrichshafen, but I recall a news article that a Zeppelin was purchased by DeBeers to use for diamond exploration work in South Africa. Their website is http://www.zeppelin-nt.com/index.htm After working years in which my job entailed being regularly jammed into an aluminum cigar and launched through the air on trips that often lasted 10 or 15 hours, the image of traveling on a Zeppelin at a leisurely pace that allows my internal clock to keep up with the sun is mighty appealing. It's sort of like the difference between making a cell phone call and working friend on CW. Each has its place, even if one is "old technology". Implemented using modern materials and engineering, it can give the "old technology" new life - sort of like Elecraft does for "radio communications" <G> Ron AC7AC _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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