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Fred (FL)

Alaska - Cruise

We don't know what int'l rules have done in the
past 20 - but one used to have to have applied for
a "Canadian operating" license to do US hamming in
Canadian regions. Also one cannot transmit HF and
RF on any cruise ship - without the cruise line's
(& captain's) permission.

Would be interested in learning where this has all
gotten over the past few years.

Thanks,
73's Fred N3CSY

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wd4lst

Re: Alaska - Cruise

As it turns out, I am currently studying for my Extra.
1) The US and Canada have an agreement that allows amateurs in each country to operate in the other country using only their own amateur license. The Operator must give his/her call sign appended with the letter/number combination indicating location.(ARRL Extra class License Manual 8th edition page 1-11)
2)Shipboard Operations require the approval of the Ship's master and be separate and independent of the ship's radio apparatus (part 97.11)

Hope this helps - Sounds like a fun time is in the works!!
73s,
Pete
wd4lst
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>
> From: "Fred (FL)" <[hidden email]>
> Date: 2006/08/09 Wed PM 12:35:22 CDT
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] Alaska - Cruise
>
> We don't know what int'l rules have done in the
> past 20 - but one used to have to have applied for
> a "Canadian operating" license to do US hamming in
> Canadian regions. Also one cannot transmit HF and
> RF on any cruise ship - without the cruise line's
> (& captain's) permission.
>
> Would be interested in learning where this has all
> gotten over the past few years.
>
> Thanks,
> 73's Fred N3CSY
>
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Craig Rairdin

RE: Alaska - Cruise

You also need to have an International Amateur Radio Permit. You get it from
the ARRL. Make sure you allow plenty of time to receive it. They get snippy
if you ask for it in less than two or three weeks. It costs a few dollars to
cover postage. You have to send a picture, like for a passport. It's all
spelled out at http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/io/iarp-app.pdf

I found myself in Vancouver on Field Day weekend and received a warm welcome
from the local hams when I showed up at midnight Saturday. Unfortunately
there wasn't a key or paddle in sight, but I did work some 40M phone. Nobody
asked for my IARP. :-)

Craig
NZ0R

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Alaska - Cruise

As it turns out, I am currently studying for my Extra.
1) The US and Canada have an agreement that allows amateurs in each country
to operate in the other country using only their own amateur license. The
Operator must give his/her call sign appended with the letter/number
combination indicating location.(ARRL Extra class License Manual 8th edition
page 1-11)
2)Shipboard Operations require the approval of the Ship's master and be
separate and independent of the ship's radio apparatus (part 97.11)

Hope this helps - Sounds like a fun time is in the works!!
73s,
Pete
wd4lst
K1 #2194

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Bob Nielsen

Re: Alaska - Cruise

On Aug 9, 2006, at 11:23 AM, Craig Rairdin wrote:

> You also need to have an International Amateur Radio Permit. You
> get it from
> the ARRL. Make sure you allow plenty of time to receive it. They
> get snippy
> if you ask for it in less than two or three weeks. It costs a few
> dollars to
> cover postage. You have to send a picture, like for a passport.
> It's all
> spelled out at http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/io/iarp-
> app.pdf
>
> I found myself in Vancouver on Field Day weekend and received a
> warm welcome
> from the local hams when I showed up at midnight Saturday.
> Unfortunately
> there wasn't a key or paddle in sight, but I did work some 40M
> phone. Nobody
> asked for my IARP. :-)

An IARP is not required for operation by US amateurs in Canada--there
is a reciprocal operating agreement which allows operation without
any paperwork. The IARP is good for LU, PY, YS, HP, OA, 9Y, CX and
YV, however.

When operating from a ship in international waters, it is necessary
to have a license or other operating permission (CEPT, IARP,
reciprocal license, etc.) from the country in which the ship is
registered, in addition to permission of the captain.

73 - Bob, N7XY

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Craig Rairdin

RE: Alaska - Cruise

It doesn't surprise me that the ARRL guy didn't inform me of this. I told
him where I was going and we fought over how long it was going to take to
get the IARP done. We even talked about shipping it to the address in Canada
where I'd be visiting. The whole process was horribly disorganized and
mismanaged.

Craig
NZ0R

--------------------
An IARP is not required for operation by US amateurs in Canada--there
is a reciprocal operating agreement which allows operation without
any paperwork. The IARP is good for LU, PY, YS, HP, OA, 9Y, CX and
YV, however.

When operating from a ship in international waters, it is necessary
to have a license or other operating permission (CEPT, IARP,
reciprocal license, etc.) from the country in which the ship is
registered, in addition to permission of the captain.

73 - Bob, N7XY

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T Gahagan

Re: Alaska - Cruise

In reply to this post by Bob Nielsen

I asked for permission to operate VHF from the Queen of the North one time
during our Alaska travels. I was not told just no but "H**L NO" from the
captain. Good Luck :>) By the way, I did ask very politely.

Todd, WA7U

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Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Alaska - Cruise

>
> On Aug 9, 2006, at 11:23 AM, Craig Rairdin wrote:
>
>> You also need to have an International Amateur Radio Permit. You get it
>> from
>> the ARRL. Make sure you allow plenty of time to receive it. They get
>> snippy
>> if you ask for it in less than two or three weeks. It costs a few
>> dollars to
>> cover postage. You have to send a picture, like for a passport. It's all
>> spelled out at http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/io/iarp-
>> app.pdf
>>
>> I found myself in Vancouver on Field Day weekend and received a warm
>> welcome
>> from the local hams when I showed up at midnight Saturday. Unfortunately
>> there wasn't a key or paddle in sight, but I did work some 40M phone.
>> Nobody
>> asked for my IARP. :-)
>
> An IARP is not required for operation by US amateurs in Canada--there is
> a reciprocal operating agreement which allows operation without any
> paperwork. The IARP is good for LU, PY, YS, HP, OA, 9Y, CX and YV,
> however.
>
> When operating from a ship in international waters, it is necessary to
> have a license or other operating permission (CEPT, IARP, reciprocal
> license, etc.) from the country in which the ship is registered, in
> addition to permission of the captain.
>
> 73 - Bob, N7XY
>
>
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Chris Kantarjiev K6DBG

RE: Alaska - Cruise

In reply to this post by Fred (FL)

>
> It doesn't surprise me that the ARRL guy didn't inform me of this. I told
> him where I was going and we fought over how long it was going to take to
> get the IARP done.

The entire ARRL website section on foreign operation is a disaster. I've
had the occasion to travel to DX a few times in the past year and
always thought of taking along my KX1 - and was discouraged by trying
to navigate the website to figure out the rules.

It's hard even to figure out for the countries where CEPT is in place!

Sorry, I just had to grumble. I'm sure no one from ARRL is
reading this...

73 de chris K6DBG
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